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this is that triangle you know there's

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explanation for everything that appeared

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in the Rendlesham forest incident

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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so classic flying-saucer

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really standing in the clearing he

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turned over to my father and held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO

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for our live show during the show feel

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free to participate live in our chat

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room and don't forget to Like us on our

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very active Facebook page hello and

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welcome to the show I'm Martyn Willis

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your host and we have Alejandro Rojas

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coming up with UFO updates in just a

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second we our guest tonight is a long

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time and I mean longtime researcher for

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many many years and decades going all

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the way back to the 60s we have ray

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Stanford is going to be on he's also

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going to be talking about an amazing

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discovery that he made at the NASA

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Goddard Space Center

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which I was fortunate enough to actually

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go down there and see see kind of not

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exactly this discovery but other

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discoveries he made and yes dinosaurs

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were walking around at Goddard Space

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pretty amazing we're gonna be talking

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world for this actually as you know he's

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an amazing amateur paleontologist

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he has his discovery is beyond anything

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that people have found as far as

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dinosaur tracks go mammal tracks and

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dinosaurs tracks together anyway we'll

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be talking about that the latter part of

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the show first part of the show we're

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gonna be discussing UFOs his his

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detection system that he had many years

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ago what he found and then also about

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ancient discs you're not going to

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believe the way they look exactly like a

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flying saucer so we're going to have

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images people watching on YouTube we're

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going to have images come up on that so

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you can see what we're talking about and

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I want to thank everyone that's a

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towards the show we absolutely could not

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do it without you thanks so much anyone

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can help out doesn't matter where you

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listen all you have to do is check out

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podcast UFO comm all the informations

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there we have occasional blogs we have

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one a couple weeks old and so always

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welcome guest blogs if anyone's

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interested in doing that and I know I

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have a good feeling I know one of the

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stories out hondo is going to be talking

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about because never and the time that

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I've been doing the show have I received

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so many emails about a sighting that

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came up I hope he's giving a lot of

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email to Alejandro welcome yes oh hey

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hey how's it going good good

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so I would guess that you're getting a

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lot of email about this Irish flight

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commercial flight sighting all those

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planes that saw that sighting you an

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Irish commercial one no I'm kidding

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yes that is exactly the story I was

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going to talk about because it is all

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over the place in big news and it sounds

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like a great case yeah so the site that

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concisely and thoroughly and as always

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war zone section oh yeah written by

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Tyler rogue away so it's a great article

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you can find links to this especially if

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you go to the open minds UFO news forum

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on Facebook you'll be able to see a lot

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of people talking about it and some of

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the information but it's a really cool

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case like some of the other ones that

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the drive has posted and you know I

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should add this because this is

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important to drive feels more like it's

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okay even though they're a credible

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defense website ever since the New York

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having a UFO investigation organization

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they feel more able and like it's okay

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to write about UFO stories so they have

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perspective which is really interesting

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and thorough and so in their article

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they talk about these multiple witnesses

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all pilots in Ireland

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who saw this object it was pre-dawn on

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minutes before the sunrise multiple UFOs

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being seen the ia a which is the Irish

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Aviation Authority said that following

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reports from a small number of aircraft

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on Friday November 9th of unusual air

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activity there was a report filed this

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report will be investigated under the

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normal confidential a current

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investigation process so they are not

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show the results or even sure though say

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something but fortunately somehow the

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audio of many of these pilots has come

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know they've got it right here on the

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drive but it's really interesting

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showing anything on the radar but they

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saw something moving extremely fast it

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was described as a very bright light

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they said it rapidly it flew alongside

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the left side of this 787 before it

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quote rapidly veered to the north and

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said that there were multiple objects

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following the same trajectory and that

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speeds then the other pilot kind of

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just me and another one said that the

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that they also saw these objects and

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that they were moving very fastly in

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moving the speed they were moving was

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involved again they said that there

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didn't seem to be any fear of collision

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of maneuvering our behavior by these

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objects almost like they were coming in

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themselves be seen and then zooming off

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we saw in 2004 in San Diego with the

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Nimitz the tic-tac UFOs or even in 1952

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with Washington DC or in Chile and in

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many other countries the same sort of

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that this extreme technology and speed

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cruising off at very fast rate so yeah

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great sighting I'm wondering you know I

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surprised that or maybe they did maybe

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someone tried to snap a picture did you

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hear anything about that or read

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anything no I've heard nothing of any

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pictures being taken and I mean you know

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a bright light off in the distance from

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airplane so pictures are really

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different but of course commercial

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sky so yeah no information on that and I

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government for the Irish Defense Forces

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in particular for answers they had a

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number of questions but they got one

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simple response which was the Defense

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procedures for operational security

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reasons this incident is a matter for

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the Irish Aviation Authority so

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essentially they're not going to say

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anything and they're gonna leave it up

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to the to their ih you conduct the

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investigation and who knows if they'll

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have a response or not Wow now and when

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earlier that you know Pete that the guy

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from the war whatever it is they're the

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one that wrote the story the war is no

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none worse right he felt more

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comfortable writing about it since you

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the New York Times and I think that's I

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think that's having an effect across the

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board in this because the Washington

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screening on Thursday so just a couple

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days from now where you can watch the

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first couple episodes of the Blue Book

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and I can send you information on that

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wow that's amazing yeah free popcorn and

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pop - this is being put on by the

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publishers they're doing I'm gonna be

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and others will at other so I'm only

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one so I can get people into that one

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other events like this going on yeah I

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cool yeah that if that's in the Chicago

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to get through quickly we were selling

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stuff so we had a UFO Congress booth and

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hair's a mess but also it's a cool hat

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but right over my shoulder here this was

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a big kit what we were selling at the

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table this hovering UFO that levitates

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this lamp that's also a Bluetooth

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speaker and we've got those up on the

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store now but they're super cool

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sopia besides ed I had several talks and

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Bassett and Jason McClellan where we

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television show and you know it was

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there was a lot of people not as many as

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of people as packed but still so it was

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a lot of fun one of the highlights for

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Spielberg and of course J Allen Hynek

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was the guy who you know inspired

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Spielberg and gave him the case

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information and I talked a lot about

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Hynek because he's so important and I

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think he's so cool and a very important

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person and talked about in that he went

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in as a skeptic came out of believer and

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investigations winning and he helped the

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Air Force do investigations but after my

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talk this gentleman came up and

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introduced himself it was Paul Hynek J

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Allen Hynek son yes I was so thrilled

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and he was saying thank you for all the

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kind things that you said about my

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father I'd love to stay in contact and

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of course I said well would you mind

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coming on my podcast and he said yes so

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finally I'm able to get to someone

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before you do and I will have Paul Hynek

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on the podcast soon isn't that great

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does he look anything like his dad not

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really of course his dad always had a

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beard and a pipe but you know he's got a

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he had a jacket on a very professional

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tall slender guy and I looked him up and

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he's a professor an associate professor

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at Pepperdine along with a number of

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starting up companies he's a very you

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know successful businessman and so an

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impressive person so that was the the

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thrill of the conference besides and I

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tell you more about this later since

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we're running on we had a booth next to

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us that was selling meteorites and you

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can see online I videotaped a piece of

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Mars but they gave me a little meteorite

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so I'll show you guys that sometime on

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your watch or something did I hear about

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your something about your whoa no that

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was someone else's that was these guys

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the owner of that company

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he's an expert in this he has a slice of

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Mars as the face of his watch I'm

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amazing one-of-a-kind item probably

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worse at least tens of thousands of

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dollars a chunk of Mars that I held was

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worth at over $40,000 now this is way

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now because people know it didn't come

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back from art so this is a meteorite

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landed right it come back right so it's

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a meteorite yeah so that's essentially

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what they deal in are meteorites and

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that's where this comes from because

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some people are like what do you mean

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somebody went to Mars and brought it

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back no it's a - meteorite so that's how

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we you know fortunately and I don't

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believe there's a whole lot of them but

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chunks that have been dislodged from

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Mars probably from asteroid strikes and

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things like that and even I think

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volcanic activity can push objects into

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the atmosphere high enough where it can

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escape the gravity of the planet and

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then float around for probably hundreds

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of thousands maybe millions of years

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before eventually landing on our planet

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and then through testing very similar to

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the type that we talked about with Chris

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Cogswell we're able to show in fact you

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know I that it kind of demonstrates that

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one of the things I was thinking of the

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criteria of proving something is from an

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ET civilization because that watch we

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just talked about is technology it is

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from space but it's not a technology

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that we're not aware of so we know this

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is something that's human built so that

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third threshold would have to be met

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which is that you know it's this space

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material being transformed into

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something using technology we don't know

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but it's a demonstration how his watch

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meets two of those three criteria and

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why it's so important that those three

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criteria be met before we call something

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you know et technology someone just

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asked in the chat room did you recently

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meet with our Robert Bigelow I did not I

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wish I had just wanted to clear that up

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they they're just wondering if you had

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and then another thing in the chat right

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well go ahead finish that I was just

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going to say that part might have come

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from because I did go to a friends and

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family

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event where Jeremy Court Bell showed us

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his movie that the skinwalker movie very

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exciting we'll have news up tomorrow -

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about his new movie but we talked about

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how there were a lot of people there and

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we couldn't disclose all the people

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there so people might have assumed

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Bigelow there it was there but

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unfortunately he was not oh okay and

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someone also wrote on there the story

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that you were discussing earlier about

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the Irish you know UFO they're saying an

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Irish astronomer claims that it was a

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meteor and I wondered if you heard

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anything about that and and if there was

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any validity or possible validity to

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that I haven't heard a bit about that

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but you know a lot of people are

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pointing out that what was described

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does not seem to fit what this person

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was saying however you know depending on

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angles a meteor I can look strange I

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mean especially in a plane if it's

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running somewhat parallel to you which

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happens at times because they're up in

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the air it's I guess it's not something

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we can rule out yet but thus far I've

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seen a lot of people saying and it's not

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fitting all of the checkmarks of what

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was witnessed but would use a lot more

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have to go into it yeah would you see a

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meteor during the day I mean I guess

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it's possible if it's bright enough yeah

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I think you can you can see it in Italy

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betrayal because you know it's on fire

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and it's cruising along typically these

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things when they're falling apart there

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will be pieces of it that will flare so

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the brightness you'll see as various

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different flares of different I think

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you witnessed something like that where

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it's kind of more of a flickering where

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it gets super bright then it gets less

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brighten until it dims completely out as

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those pieces at Luminess or make the

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brightness burn off another thing it

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should be earthbound too I mean not not

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like a level path well it should be

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earthbound but when you're in the air

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and some of these things can come in at

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a very slight angle where it will look

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and and if you're on a plane you know

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it's difficult the angles get very

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strange

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so it's possible something that is

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actually coming down looks level and

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there have been and I think we could

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probably find them planes getting

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pictures of these things looking like

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they're there level to them but they

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actually are you know being pulled in by

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the gravity interesting well we went a

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little long sorry

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so anyway thank thanks so much yep thank

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you and we'll be talking next week all

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right

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going a little bit long that was really

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interesting I wanted to talk about that

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possible meteor part of that so Ray

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Stanford our guest

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he's been on a number of times I visited

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him a number of years ago did a show

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down there I saw some amazing things I

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consider ray a good friend and we are in

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touch all the time and it's a my

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pleasure to have him on ray welcome to

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the show

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Oh great to be here Morton yeah it's

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been a it's been a little while since

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you've been on I think it's been a few

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years I mean you got involved in this

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dinosaur tracking that just kind of

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consumed you completely

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well it's certainly time consuming when

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you're you first you make a discovery

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and it takes months to realize

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everything that's there and then you

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have to take even longer time writing it

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up in a careful way for a scientific

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paper yeah

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and you did all that and we will talk

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more about that in the second part of

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the show or the last the last part of

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the show

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but I just just wanted to say I that's

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the reason you haven't been on in a

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couple of years you've and you you know

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you've been on national Geographics been

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to your house all kinds of things have

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happened

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you spoke in that gartered Space Center

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and all that all it fascinating all

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fascinating things but we were going to

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talk when I visited you I couldn't

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believe the collection you had and some

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of the the discs that you had stone

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disks that look exactly like a flying

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saucer that are from ancient mounds so

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I'd like to talk a little bit about that

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but before we get into that subject in

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particular for the person that the first

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time hearing

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you on this show we do have a lot of new

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listeners and we're also over on kgr a

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radio with some new listeners I'd like

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for you to fill them in on your

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background and what got to fascinated in

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the topic to begin with well it's hard

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to say what got me fascinated just to

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mention of something that people can't

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explain flying around and doing strange

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things I think gets anybody that is in

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any way analytical even as a child as I

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was in 1947 I guess that was nine years

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old and I I couldn't stay away from it

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it just fascinates me I don't know what

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got into me I skinny little

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nine-year-old kid jumped off of a swing

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in the in the grade school yard and went

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over to the principal's wife and said

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mrs. Shelton when I grow up I'm going to

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try to find out what these flying

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saucers are and when I do I'm going to

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tell the whole world

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so she stomped off like a madman who

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just talked to her or medkit and I don't

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know it it catches an interest and I

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decided though after well in my teens

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teens sometimes are impulsive I got

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taken in by the hoaxes of George Adamski

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and the the contactee crowd but and

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interpreted some wonderful well

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documented well witness sightings that

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we had in in a in a vein that I

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considered to be now subjective I made a

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there's a lot of strange things that

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happen to you if you have a close

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encounter at least in my experience and

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and sometimes when you're inexperienced

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and highly excitable as a teenager you

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can kind of misinterpret it I mean we

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felt like somehow they were reading our

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minds and causing us to show up and see

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these things that I don't any longer

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think that's the case I think I have

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better explanations part but it got me

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after I wised up to a damn ski and and

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expose the evidence I had that his

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photographs and stories were hopes isn't

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exposed Daniel Deborah far another

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contactee I decided the way to go the

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only way to go was to try to use cameras

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and electronic instruments to get some

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kind of data that would be meaningful to

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mainstream science that would speak to

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physicists and real hard data

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hard scientists will say and it took me

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a long time to arrange finally the

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funding for that but by nineteen the

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early 70s I began to working with a

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nonprofit corporation bring in

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contributions that eventually built a

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system of tracking these things

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optically electronically it was a total

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of equipment facilities back then it was

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about somewhat over two million dollars

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now that would be of course the order I

539
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guess 30 or 40 million dollars yeah but

540
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we succeeded in in using this equipment

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in the field the first time it really

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got a great success was when he had a

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tip from a government scientist at White

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Sands that they were being plagued and

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we we snooped around there on the

546
00:23:06,529 --> 00:23:04,929
outskirts of White Sands but I don't

547
00:23:08,999 --> 00:23:06,539
want to get into that too much because

548
00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:09,009
I'd like to talk about something else

549
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:11,379
that surprised me related to UFOs but

550
00:23:16,259 --> 00:23:14,289
but anxious and I guess you know what

551
00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:16,269
I'm talking about this point burden yeah

552
00:23:19,889 --> 00:23:18,100
yeah just to let you know ray we got

553
00:23:22,889 --> 00:23:19,899
about a couple of minutes here before we

554
00:23:25,649 --> 00:23:22,899
go into our first break so I may have to

555
00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:25,659
interrupt you if it comes to that but um

556
00:23:31,499 --> 00:23:27,940
yes I saw your collection at your house

557
00:23:35,879 --> 00:23:31,509
and it's fascinating and yeah I'd like

558
00:23:37,470 --> 00:23:35,889
for you to talk about that okay well I I

559
00:23:39,269 --> 00:23:37,480
had gotten interested in Indian

560
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,279
artifacts back when my dad worked in an

561
00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:41,440
oil field was bringing home Indian

562
00:23:46,409 --> 00:23:44,830
merits and I began to study them become

563
00:23:48,779 --> 00:23:46,419
fascinated and eventually I began to

564
00:23:54,419 --> 00:23:48,789
collect other types of Indian artifacts

565
00:23:57,899 --> 00:23:54,429
well then back in the the 1980s the

566
00:23:59,519 --> 00:23:57,909
latter part of the 1980s I had gone to

567
00:24:02,460 --> 00:23:59,529
several Indian artifact auctions and

568
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:02,470
seebik catalogue from an option called

569
00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:05,850
old born auction in Findlay Ohio and

570
00:24:11,999 --> 00:24:08,980
there was a picture of a thing that

571
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:12,009
looked just like a domed disc with spots

572
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,080
around his dome and and flange and I I

573
00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:19,600
said oh my gosh and I looked at the text

574
00:24:27,869 --> 00:24:24,039
below and it said him Indian hematite

575
00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:27,879
disc and it said that it's it had an

576
00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:29,980
exclamation mark this looks like a UFO

577
00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:31,720
so I called the

578
00:24:35,789 --> 00:24:34,030
the owner of the auction house and I

579
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:35,799
said look I want to buy that he said I

580
00:24:39,899 --> 00:24:37,419
can't sell it to you it's already in the

581
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,909
catalog and this was a hardcopy catalog

582
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:41,440
this was not back in the days of

583
00:24:46,169 --> 00:24:44,470
Internet auctions and he said but you

584
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,179
know he said these came out of a

585
00:24:51,419 --> 00:24:48,880
collection from back the turn of the

586
00:24:55,409 --> 00:24:51,429
19th in the early part of the 20th

587
00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:55,419
century an old guy back in in Hancock

588
00:25:01,380 --> 00:24:59,620
County Illinois I had had collected a

589
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:01,390
bunch of Indian artifacts and when he

590
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:03,370
died his family stored these things and

591
00:25:07,529 --> 00:25:05,710
recently they decided well maybe these

592
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,539
are worth something and they brought

593
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:10,210
them in to him and he said it was

594
00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:12,370
astonishing here was two discs that

595
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:13,419
looked just like they were flying

596
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:16,270
saucers and they've been dug up way back

597
00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:18,340
there before we ever heard of Kenneth

598
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:20,440
Arnold and his sighting and descriptions

599
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,970
of discs by other people and so what I

600
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,799
did he said that you know there's one in

601
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,480
the catalog I've got one here on my desk

602
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:31,840
and he he said it astonishes people come

603
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:33,490
in people come in and accuse me of being

604
00:25:37,289 --> 00:25:35,740
some kind of a UFO not having this model

605
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:37,299
of a UFO on my desk and I explained to

606
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:39,490
him wait I wasn't responsible for that

607
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:41,890
and Indian made it maybe 2,000 years ago

608
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,530
and so I said look I want to buy that

609
00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:47,440
one and I did and eventually I also

610
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:49,240
bought from the guy that got the other

611
00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:53,500
one at auction I got another one and the

612
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:54,760
one we're seeing on the screen now

613
00:26:00,270 --> 00:25:57,370
actually I was the last one of the most

614
00:26:03,299 --> 00:26:00,280
disk-like type that I got and that's

615
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,309
from Illinois but from from further to

616
00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:05,200
the southwestern part of the state of

617
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,140
Illinois and I don't have to top my head

618
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,960
recall the actual size of it but it's

619
00:26:15,419 --> 00:26:12,640
between three and four inches in

620
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:15,429
diameter and it looks the part

621
00:26:19,649 --> 00:26:17,470
and I have no explanation of what they

622
00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:19,659
were trying to represent unless we make

623
00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:22,270
the presumption that that an Indian not

624
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:23,740
having a camera saw something that

625
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:25,240
impressed him a lot and he said I'll

626
00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:26,710
make it out of stone and show my buddies

627
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:29,860
what I saw but that we don't know here's

628
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:32,260
here's two more three more actually

629
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,110
these were the early ones that before

630
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:37,840
they - you have top and bottom on the

631
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:39,730
left in the the blue green and the red

632
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:42,010
now those were the ones from from over

633
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:45,130
in Western Illinois and you can see the

634
00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:45,770
size

635
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:47,660
and everything there and one of them was

636
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:49,010
the one that was in the auction it was

637
00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:50,270
the one that I bought and they have an

638
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:51,800
old one of them as the old sticker down

639
00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:53,720
at the bottom right you see you can't

640
00:26:59,410 --> 00:26:55,550
read it their business Piedra collection

641
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,420
and Hancock County Illinois and that was

642
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,520
the old collection that that it was in

643
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:03,679
the one on the ride is even more

644
00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:06,800
dramatic and larger and it was found a

645
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:09,080
little further east on the Illinois

646
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:11,240
River and that we go to the next slide

647
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:15,380
we might be able to to see I don't know

648
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:18,200
if you can get that up but that that was

649
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:20,710
found while they were clearing trees in

650
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:24,170
1921 spring on the east bank of the

651
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:27,050
Illinois River in Havana Illinois at the

652
00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:29,570
time there was a rise there there there

653
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:32,390
you see on the left where it was the the

654
00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:33,740
red line that goes and bends down and

655
00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:35,780
shows Havana and it points up to it and

656
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,620
this thing was it was found when they

657
00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:41,840
were digging up trees and the roots pull

658
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:43,700
this thing up but they didn't realize

659
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:45,140
there was a mound there at that time the

660
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,510
mound there was only about 12 feet high

661
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:50,080
but it's about an acre in size and and

662
00:27:57,460 --> 00:27:54,230
it's it's now been of course both carbon

663
00:28:00,040 --> 00:27:57,470
dated about 2,000 years old plus or

664
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:00,050
minus 230 maybe or so on either side of

665
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:03,650
2,000 years ago and interestingly also

666
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:07,400
at that same site they found 22 beads

667
00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:11,030
made out of nickel iron meteorite two

668
00:28:17,169 --> 00:28:12,980
over and locally here in the Indus myth

669
00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:17,179
Sounion and I mean this is enough to

670
00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:20,120
just boggle my mind I mean I realized

671
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:22,160
that these these have an excellent

672
00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:23,720
collection background I have the whole

673
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:25,460
collection background that the disc

674
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:26,900
number three up there in the upper right

675
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:30,860
of who owned it across time and I just

676
00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:33,320
mentioned that the the dealer knew and

677
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:35,150
minders and UFOs that he was interested

678
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:38,210
in his wife and I believe a daughter

679
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:39,410
wears two because they had seen

680
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:41,480
something remarkable in their backyard

681
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:43,070
at close range about 20 feet in diameter

682
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:46,550
and he said I said if you ever come

683
00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:47,990
across another one of these things he

684
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:50,270
said well I know an old guy that has has

685
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:51,770
one but he didn't wanna part with it

686
00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:53,780
well they took him or at least two three

687
00:28:58,210 --> 00:28:56,059
maybe four years to talk him into

688
00:28:59,289 --> 00:28:58,220
selling it the finally he sold it and I

689
00:29:02,200 --> 00:28:59,299
bought it for

690
00:29:04,899 --> 00:29:02,210
the the alien artifacts with their good

691
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:04,909
background information and so I've just

692
00:29:08,049 --> 00:29:06,470
been thrilled to have these and there

693
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:08,059
was the one more that we showed first in

694
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:10,730
the introductory slide there that that

695
00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:12,409
makes four of the ones that look just

696
00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:14,389
like what the the world today think so

697
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:18,230
is a flying saucer UFO yes yes that's

698
00:29:23,879 --> 00:29:20,600
great okay well we're gonna head to

699
00:29:27,609 --> 00:29:23,889
break ray so everyone that's listening

700
00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:27,619
over at kgr radio we'll be back in just

701
00:29:32,379 --> 00:29:29,720
a few minutes my guest is Ray Stanford

702
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:32,389
this is podcast UFO hang and they'll

703
00:29:46,479 --> 00:29:42,169
we'll be right back alright Martin go

704
00:29:47,129 --> 00:29:46,489
minutes how many or four minutes okay

705
00:29:52,479 --> 00:29:47,139
got it

706
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:52,489
well yeah ray so we're still live on

707
00:29:58,419 --> 00:29:55,129
YouTube right and just to let you know I

708
00:30:00,190 --> 00:29:58,429
just want and Ray at the you're gonna be

709
00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:00,200
surprised at this because you didn't I

710
00:30:05,710 --> 00:30:02,389
forgot to tell you and the opening part

711
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:05,720
is uh we're gonna the second break we're

712
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,049
going to be playing a video of that's on

713
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:11,840
YouTube we downloaded it on YouTube and

714
00:30:18,849 --> 00:30:13,970
it's basically going to be when you're

715
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:18,859
at NASA the video of you showing the

716
00:30:23,769 --> 00:30:22,190
tracks on site and you you bring the

717
00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:23,779
little dinosaur with you and all that so

718
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:24,980
we're going to show that in the second

719
00:30:31,389 --> 00:30:29,690
break okay yeah yeah the only thing is

720
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:31,399
ray unfortunately you're not going to

721
00:30:34,659 --> 00:30:33,080
hear anything the audio just doesn't go

722
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:34,669
through the software system so you're

723
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:36,190
not going to hear anything on that but

724
00:30:40,169 --> 00:30:38,450
you'll just hear silence but everyone

725
00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:40,179
else will hear it on YouTube and also

726
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:42,950
people that listen to the podcast so

727
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:47,960
anyway okay this I guess in this break

728
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:49,609
we have just three minutes that goes

729
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:51,320
really fast and I blabbed a little too

730
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,720
much I wanted to know if you can tell

731
00:31:00,340 --> 00:30:58,399
the listening audience how you basically

732
00:31:05,019 --> 00:31:00,350
ended up so close to Goddard Space

733
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:05,029
Center well I went to a divorce my

734
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:09,049
former marriage and and came up here and

735
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:10,690
ultimately married a wonderful lady

736
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:13,100
named Sheila and she would

737
00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:14,830
working at Goddard Space Flight Center

738
00:31:19,299 --> 00:31:17,660
eventually she became the contracting

739
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:19,309
officers technical representative over

740
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:25,480
the entire equipment and facilities

741
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,070
servicing of the last three Hubble Space

742
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:30,559
Telescope servicing missions and she's

743
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:32,600
got a big commendation from the

744
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:35,450
government for that work and she was

745
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:37,250
very interested been interested in UFOs

746
00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:40,190
for years and we've been we've been

747
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:42,919
married about 32 I guess years now and

748
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:44,690
that brought me because we were only

749
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:46,100
three miles from Goddard Space Flight

750
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:48,260
Center and so I was frequently over

751
00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:50,780
there and one day I was there I picked

752
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,340
her up for lunch I dropped her back off

753
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:53,840
and was passing through a parking lot

754
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:55,280
and I saw a rock sticking out of the

755
00:32:00,159 --> 00:31:57,860
grass and and the story is history now

756
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,169
that I went over there and there was the

757
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:02,720
beginning of what has been declared to

758
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:04,250
be the the most important discovery of

759
00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:06,230
showing an erection of mammals and

760
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:08,840
dinosaurs has this ever been found and

761
00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:09,890
it was right there at Goddard Space

762
00:32:12,909 --> 00:32:10,940
Flight Center

763
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:12,919
I can't believe well first of all just

764
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,570
say we'll get into that the second part

765
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:15,919
of the show more and well I actually

766
00:32:20,289 --> 00:32:18,169
want you to bring that up again I don't

767
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:20,299
understand how anyone would notice a

768
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:23,750
rock sticking up in the grass first of

769
00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:25,970
all and then second of all haha you know

770
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,789
they all the excavation they did there

771
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:30,440
with all the buildings I showed me

772
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:33,049
around there when when I visited and you

773
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,820
know all the buildings there all the

774
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:36,559
parking lots

775
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:39,049
there's probably a lot more there that

776
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:41,720
was either destroyed or covered over but

777
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:44,510
that's right it's just a was this near

778
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:47,150
I'm thinking near and possibly an

779
00:32:53,649 --> 00:32:50,360
ancient riverbed or something how how no

780
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:53,659
it was in a deltaic floodplain about 110

781
00:32:59,649 --> 00:32:56,090
million years ago that frequently

782
00:33:02,919 --> 00:32:59,659
flooded and in fact we've found a lot of

783
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:02,929
evidence I have found to the fossils of

784
00:33:08,169 --> 00:33:05,390
baby notice ours that apparently drowned

785
00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:08,179
and probably one of these floods they

786
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,100
there were a nest where an sto because

787
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:11,840
so many baby tracks the eggs

788
00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:13,730
disintegrate because of the high acid in

789
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:18,500
this rather swampy environment but it it

790
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:20,030
was a wonderful place for life if you

791
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,250
didn't get drown in a flood if you're a

792
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:24,559
dinosaur or a mammal back in that time

793
00:33:31,419 --> 00:33:27,289
well okay yeah we only have about

794
00:33:33,729 --> 00:33:31,429
about 20 seconds left right race 35:35

795
00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:33,739
okay so yeah we'll talk about that in

796
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,389
the second part of the show more but

797
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:37,700
also I know you had a sighting right

798
00:33:41,739 --> 00:33:40,340
there we can talk at Goddard or right

799
00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:41,749
near Goddard I remember you telling me

800
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:43,729
you were driving over that way

801
00:33:55,089 --> 00:33:45,529
so we'll be getting back to the show

802
00:34:01,450 --> 00:33:55,099
here in just a second here I think hang

803
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:01,460
in there one on YouTube I guess I

804
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:17,440
okay we got bumper music here Martin

805
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:18,710
ready to come back

806
00:34:26,370 --> 00:34:22,210
alright alright here we go in five four

807
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:26,380
three two

808
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:29,120
alright welcome back my guest is race

809
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:32,390
stanford and during the break we spoke a

810
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:35,150
little bit about the area that it lives

811
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,350
in we're going to be talking more about

812
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:39,919
that later but we when we're wrapping up

813
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:43,820
we're ready to I still want to talk more

814
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:46,970
about these discs and what the possible

815
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,950
use was for them but the the question on

816
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,560
that array have they found any of these

817
00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:57,680
in other areas or is it only in this

818
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:01,820
particular area the the discs that look

819
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:04,270
like what we think is a UFO looks like

820
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:09,050
they have been found only in in Havana

821
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:13,460
Illinois and an Hancock County Illinois

822
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:16,880
and of west of there and there's one

823
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:19,310
down to the south west of there the

824
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:22,490
first one that we showed earlier but if

825
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:23,840
we can go in and look at some of the

826
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:24,920
pictures I can explain to you a little

827
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:28,490
more about them but it that it looks

828
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:29,930
like here's to the hypothesis when I

829
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:32,180
found these things I said I wonder if

830
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:36,100
these were the first things that that we

831
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:38,870
that they made and they and what I found

832
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:41,090
out is I didn't have a confirmation of

833
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:42,650
the time I thought maybe you know the

834
00:35:46,810 --> 00:35:44,600
Indians that they they feel like you

835
00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:46,820
make an effigy of something it takes on

836
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:48,440
to some extent many of the feel the

837
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:50,180
properties such as the Kachina dolls out

838
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:53,480
west my Hopi and but if you look at this

839
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:55,250
picture on the left you you see these

840
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:56,780
disciplines become more and more or less

841
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:00,140
like we typically think of a UFO and

842
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:02,810
more and more practical rounded edges

843
00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:05,240
well I believed I had pathi sized that

844
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:07,100
the original ones which would have been

845
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:09,980
few of course were in response to

846
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:12,230
observation or at least visual if not

847
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:14,780
intellectual contact with the objects

848
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:17,450
and are there arguments and that it

849
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:21,080
became something that they transferred

850
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:23,210
into a game even as the Mayans begin to

851
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:24,680
have a ball game that they say is

852
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:25,400
somehow relate

853
00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:27,170
to the motion of planets I'm not sure

854
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:29,060
that but if that's the white pants

855
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:30,380
interpretation or really the Mayan

856
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,950
interpretation but in this case I had no

857
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:36,560
evidence that these were the oldest but

858
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:39,770
as it happened years later after I had

859
00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:43,070
gotten these objects there it became out

860
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:44,600
of scientific publication with

861
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:46,370
information on the carbon dating of the

862
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:49,670
the one there you see on the left and it

863
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:52,220
would place it right around 2000 either

864
00:36:59,050 --> 00:36:55,610
plus or minus 2000 years before the

865
00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:59,060
present time but as we get closer to the

866
00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:01,160
present time they got these more rounded

867
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:02,660
edges well the Indians had a game when

868
00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:04,370
the white man came that looked the disc

869
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:05,540
their reasoning it looked more like the

870
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:07,580
one on the far right in fact there was

871
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:10,820
at that time and they had a game that

872
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:13,790
they they called chunky and you could

873
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,300
you would roll a disc and throw a spear

874
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:18,320
that looks for all the world like a

875
00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:22,610
mothership and the the if they came

876
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:24,590
close to each other that gave points to

877
00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:25,970
the person I guess I did the throwing

878
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:29,300
and the rolling of the disc and the

879
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:30,650
interesting thing is that the Indians

880
00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:31,880
were well about this the white man

881
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,190
didn't like it they went for a different

882
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:37,040
kind of Indian game but the Indians were

883
00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:39,500
big on betting on this they bet none of

884
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:41,900
their land lion Loren cause he's a guy

885
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:44,570
who bet their wives it was said and Wow

886
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:46,520
it was probably training them though

887
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:49,700
intuitively too by judging the speed of

888
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:52,340
the disc and throwing the what you know

889
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:54,230
we just look at this today in the

890
00:38:00,340 --> 00:37:56,110
reports of UFOs we hear of these long

891
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:00,350
very narrow cigar stretched out cigar

892
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:01,850
type things that we might call a

893
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:04,030
mothership in our interpretation and

894
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:06,620
you've got the discs that supposedly go

895
00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:09,170
to and from them well in this game

896
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:10,700
you've got a thing this shaped like the

897
00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:12,590
mothership and you've got the disc that

898
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,630
they were rolling on the ground and the

899
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:16,880
the points the greater points for game

900
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:19,160
by The Closer that they stop to one

901
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:21,980
another both laterally and distally so

902
00:38:27,730 --> 00:38:25,400
it could be taken as a UFO mothership

903
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:27,740
docking kind of game that they called

904
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:32,570
chunky and we can't prove that but it's

905
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,910
a hypothesis that tends to be confirmed

906
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,980
in my mind at least a little bit by the

907
00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:39,200
fact that the tremendous a

908
00:38:43,089 --> 00:38:41,240
support the 2000 year old age of the

909
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:43,099
ones that looked most like UFOs and as

910
00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:45,260
you get more and more toward the white

911
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:48,500
man's coming they change here's a map

912
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,599
that you see over on the Left where disc

913
00:38:55,569 --> 00:38:53,359
1 and 2 were found those stood above and

914
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,579
then the far right corner disc 3 it's

915
00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:57,200
interesting that right up there beyond

916
00:39:02,079 --> 00:38:59,180
it is the Glassford impact structure

917
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,089
that's where a piece of an asteroid get

918
00:39:06,579 --> 00:39:04,160
back a long long time ago before the

919
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:06,589
indians time but i figured to ask myself

920
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,710
why would these UFOs have been spending

921
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:11,480
a lot of time i don't have any idea

922
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,130
maybe they were staying two people but

923
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:15,200
maybe they were also looking at the

924
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:17,660
impact history if we can move on to the

925
00:39:22,270 --> 00:39:20,630
next slide there's some I don't know if

926
00:39:26,319 --> 00:39:22,280
you have the next slide that can come up

927
00:39:28,210 --> 00:39:26,329
conveniently but it it's quite

928
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:28,220
interesting when you look at that area

929
00:39:33,069 --> 00:39:30,190
of the country that has the greatest

930
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:33,079
concentration of impact structures there

931
00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:34,609
you see in the map at the lower left

932
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:36,920
inside the green circle that's the area

933
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,550
where these kinds of discs are found and

934
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,079
then if we go into the next slide I'll

935
00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:44,450
compare it to something else that might

936
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,240
be another reason why the UFOs would be

937
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:50,960
studying that area I'm not sure how easy

938
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:52,700
is to get back to I'm into the next

939
00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:56,390
slide but it what it shows is okay at

940
00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,579
upper right this is a New Madrid fault

941
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:01,300
that's the earthquake causing fault and

942
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,190
the intense is the most intense errors

943
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:05,599
in the red but it goes all the way over

944
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:08,750
and into the yellow areas and it now

945
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:11,420
let's go one more slide and compare that

946
00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:13,790
to the area where most of the hematite

947
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,040
discs and other hematite objects were

948
00:40:21,339 --> 00:40:18,079
made by the Indians and it's quite

949
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:21,349
fascinating if we can get over there

950
00:40:24,849 --> 00:40:22,609
realize that there seemed to be some

951
00:40:26,319 --> 00:40:24,859
problem navigating there we go no it's

952
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:26,329
not right just to let you know there's a

953
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:29,089
30-second delay on YouTube okay

954
00:40:34,089 --> 00:40:31,220
30-second okay I'll do it immediately

955
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:34,099
but it takes 30 seconds okay good

956
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:36,890
yeah okay I got it and anyway this thing

957
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:39,650
you see and white and red that was that

958
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,950
was published years ago by in a book by

959
00:40:46,809 --> 00:40:44,720
Warren K Morehead called hematite

960
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:46,819
implements of the United States isn't it

961
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:49,130
fascinating how the whole pattern both

962
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:50,990
the the white one with the lion Aranda

963
00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:53,060
and the red one echo the new

964
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,860
default effects well that is easy

965
00:40:58,570 --> 00:40:56,720
perhaps who understand geologically

966
00:41:00,640 --> 00:40:58,580
because if you're having faulting in

967
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:00,650
that area you're also altering the

968
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:03,710
course of not only surface waters but

969
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:06,530
underground waters and hematite is it's

970
00:41:11,350 --> 00:41:08,930
usually is often farmed in aquatic

971
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:11,360
situations where the minerals are

972
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:13,550
carried and the the iron oxide grows

973
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:15,620
inverse crystalline forms having several

974
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:16,730
different colors depending on the

975
00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:19,370
crystalline form but so it's not

976
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:21,950
mysterious that they take on the same

977
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:25,130
form but keep in mind that this could be

978
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:26,480
an area that was of interest because

979
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:28,340
this is a major earthquake fault it's

980
00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:30,290
not compared to the San Andreas out west

981
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:32,900
but it's said that they have been felt

982
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,550
earthquakes from this even over here in

983
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:37,280
the Washington DC Maryland area sometime

984
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:43,420
ago so let's move on now and a little

985
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:46,370
well I'm gonna have to see the next

986
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,580
slide

987
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:50,000
I know it's the one that's in but it's

988
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:52,250
coming up understand yeah and here we go

989
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,220
now this one was from the Ford Action

990
00:42:01,060 --> 00:41:57,920
culture and it's small it's only one

991
00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:01,070
point six three inches in our five

992
00:42:05,530 --> 00:42:03,800
whatever that says yeah in diameter but

993
00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:05,540
it almost looks like a disc with

994
00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:07,460
construction panels and by the way don't

995
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:09,800
let anybody fool you you'll hear these

996
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:12,740
stories fictional stories that oh man

997
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:14,150
these discs when you see them they have

998
00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:16,190
no construction Templer nothing well if

999
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:18,200
you're seeing a plasma covered as I've

1000
00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:19,850
learned in my study with instruments

1001
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:21,500
yeah you won't see the panel's but if

1002
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,710
the plasma is off you will see panels I

1003
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:28,160
knew an Indian that that ran the Taos

1004
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:30,500
Indian horse ranch in Taos New Mexico

1005
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:32,870
and his wife and he was telling me about

1006
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:35,810
how one Indian summer he took a group of

1007
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:39,050
tourists up by horseback up into near

1008
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:40,850
the area of their their sacred mountain

1009
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:43,430
there and a whole group in broad

1010
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:44,660
daylight of disc

1011
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:48,410
pasture he said ray if I'd had a rock if

1012
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:50,270
night had been guts to do it I could

1013
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,550
have hit them with a rock they passed so

1014
00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:54,560
close to us and he said you could

1015
00:43:00,760 --> 00:42:57,860
actually see panels that looked like

1016
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:00,770
units of construction that that they

1017
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,380
were made of so anyway let's take a look

1018
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:05,810
at this and maybe that's to stretch the

1019
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:06,950
imagination that this

1020
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:08,930
possess a UFO but when we go to the next

1021
00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:11,660
slide it may not be such a stretch of

1022
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:13,550
imagination we go get some crumbs yeah

1023
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:15,890
great just one thing we have to make

1024
00:43:20,050 --> 00:43:18,290
sure that we kind of explain things

1025
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:20,060
because a lot of people listening to the

1026
00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:22,010
show the majority of the people

1027
00:43:26,589 --> 00:43:23,540
listening to the show YouTube's it's a

1028
00:43:28,569 --> 00:43:26,599
small small audience so we have to kind

1029
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:28,579
of explain what I mean it's a great

1030
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:31,250
visual and just to let the listener know

1031
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:35,030
on on podcasts UFO that listens to the

1032
00:43:42,819 --> 00:43:40,760
podcast or over at kgr a radio and the

1033
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:42,829
dark matter digital network the radio

1034
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:46,609
stations that play this show that I will

1035
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:49,460
get something up on my website in the

1036
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:51,740
show notes if you want to take a look

1037
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:53,690
over there a podcast well invite people

1038
00:43:59,050 --> 00:43:56,089
to read yeah what I've written on the

1039
00:44:01,359 --> 00:43:59,060
slides here and there's nothing really

1040
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,369
complicated to understand this is a disc

1041
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:03,440
that's quite small to an 8 inch in

1042
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:05,810
diameter we found years ago and it is it

1043
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:09,560
was found in southern Ohio in the fort

1044
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:12,290
ancient culture area and it sure looks

1045
00:44:16,089 --> 00:44:14,150
like ladders the interesting thing to me

1046
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:16,099
is having studied the physics of these

1047
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:18,290
objects is that when you have a dipole

1048
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,030
or magnetic field and we have actual

1049
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:22,000
films of this visible data I do the

1050
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:24,230
plasma being circulating the magnetic

1051
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:27,349
field glowing gas circulating if you

1052
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:28,760
wanted to go in and the thing you're

1053
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:29,990
still hovering above the ground by the

1054
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:31,970
use of this energy you'd want to go in

1055
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:34,430
the place of minimal magnetic strength

1056
00:44:39,069 --> 00:44:36,740
or zero magnetic strength you'd want to

1057
00:44:40,750 --> 00:44:39,079
go in through the center like that and

1058
00:44:42,670 --> 00:44:40,760
you'd also want to open your landing

1059
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,680
gear otherwise it would cause some

1060
00:44:46,359 --> 00:44:44,480
problems I won't get into but this

1061
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:46,369
certainly looks like somebody might be

1062
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:48,710
illustrating the way they left and went

1063
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,240
into a disc we can't prove it that I

1064
00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:55,460
can't think of any other explanation and

1065
00:45:00,250 --> 00:44:57,859
it'd be keep in mind that this was the

1066
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:00,260
fort ancient culture people might say

1067
00:45:04,359 --> 00:45:02,089
well that wasn't a Kiva an underground

1068
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:04,369
round ceremonial structure that they

1069
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:06,230
have um Arizona New Mexico the problem

1070
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:09,140
with that hypothesis is that Kiva's did

1071
00:45:15,370 --> 00:45:11,390
not exist in that part of the world in

1072
00:45:17,050 --> 00:45:15,380
you know hi oh and northwestern Kentucky

1073
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:17,060
and

1074
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:19,700
a few adjacent areas they simply did not

1075
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,220
exist no excavation has ever turned up

1076
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:24,800
any evidence that it was a Kiva culture

1077
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:27,770
or that Kiva's existed so I think we can

1078
00:45:31,570 --> 00:45:29,630
dismiss the idea that it represents that

1079
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:31,580
but it sure looks like the way somebody

1080
00:45:35,380 --> 00:45:33,290
might be and I had this for several

1081
00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:35,390
years and just the other day I came

1082
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,180
across another disc with the letters and

1083
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,680
we can take a look at that when we get

1084
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:41,900
over there it was made of a different

1085
00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:45,710
material this is a sandstone compact

1086
00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:48,230
science stone but the other one is a

1087
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:50,780
semi translucent kind of a greenish

1088
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:53,090
stone that interesting has a peaceful

1089
00:45:58,570 --> 00:45:55,360
magnetic component to it there it is and

1090
00:46:00,490 --> 00:45:58,580
if you look they're going down toward 4

1091
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:00,500
o'clock it's an arrow looking letter but

1092
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,570
look at the one on the left it looks

1093
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:04,880
much brighter as if the person drawing

1094
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:06,200
those on there wanted to show

1095
00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:07,850
perspective well what that would suggest

1096
00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:09,800
is he's saying well like it was really

1097
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:11,840
not right there at us it was up above us

1098
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:14,090
so the letter looks big close up and

1099
00:46:17,590 --> 00:46:15,950
gets smaller with distance I'm not

1100
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:17,600
saying that's what it was but that's my

1101
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,490
interpretation of it let's look at

1102
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:21,500
another picture that way I just shot one

1103
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:24,350
another angle on it so that you can see

1104
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,550
the some people might see these a little

1105
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:31,280
better in the next slide but yes

1106
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:34,970
actually this is magnetic - yeah it's

1107
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:36,410
magnae not strongly magnetic but it's

1108
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:38,510
very simply magnetic it surprised me and

1109
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:40,070
let me mention that all those beautiful

1110
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,660
discs your is saying made of hematite

1111
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:43,760
they must have some magnetite of them

1112
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:46,310
because they are very appreciative some

1113
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,960
of them stronger than others but just

1114
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:49,880
interesting but here again we see these

1115
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:51,830
letters going into the central place

1116
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:55,190
which by the way I could summit to me

1117
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,490
the most credible UFO cases where

1118
00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:01,280
occupants were seeing see e Teresa's

1119
00:47:04,810 --> 00:47:02,120
honey would have said Close Encounters

1120
00:47:07,150 --> 00:47:04,820
of the Third Kind described occupants

1121
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,160
going in and out of the middle of the

1122
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:09,680
crap in one case they are very credible

1123
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,560
with some children in in I mean it was

1124
00:47:17,650 --> 00:47:15,200
in France the occupancy small documents

1125
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:17,660
floated up in the air and went down into

1126
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:19,910
the the middle center of the object

1127
00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:21,710
which would be the top of a magnetic pad

1128
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:23,540
if you want to presume based on the

1129
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:25,340
evidence that I recorded that there is a

1130
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,070
two-pole magnetic field around this

1131
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:30,650
object that is moving plasma for

1132
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:33,860
jarick action and support Wow yeah

1133
00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:37,220
interesting so again just to let the

1134
00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:39,350
listener know that these images I'm

1135
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:41,000
gonna try to figure out how to this is

1136
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:44,930
actually a what is it called a slide

1137
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,480
presentation PowerPoint I'm gonna try to

1138
00:47:51,790 --> 00:47:49,280
figure out how to get this up on my

1139
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:51,800
website so everybody can enjoy these

1140
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:53,450
until I'll be great there's so

1141
00:47:57,790 --> 00:47:55,910
interesting ray how many when I was at

1142
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:57,800
your house I mean it was I looking all

1143
00:48:02,770 --> 00:47:59,150
around at your dinosaur tracks

1144
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:02,780
everywhere but you were able to amass a

1145
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:05,900
good collection of these well they're

1146
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:07,910
only four of the ones that look most

1147
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:09,770
like this and then you get the gradient

1148
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:12,170
such as I showed in that time frame

1149
00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:14,210
thing or well ago I didn't know show

1150
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:17,120
nearly all of them but I collected of

1151
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:19,190
course these disc shape ones they're

1152
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:22,490
very rare I only know of two genuine

1153
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:25,400
ones of that that are left out that I

1154
00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:28,820
like to get in into my as I call it my

1155
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:32,540
hematite beautiful hair and the rest of

1156
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:35,390
them are transitional toward the more

1157
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:37,310
practical aspects of the game which I

1158
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:41,440
take as being a a UFO mothership

1159
00:48:47,350 --> 00:48:44,660
symbolically manifested docking game

1160
00:48:49,810 --> 00:48:47,360
from the Indians seeing these things go

1161
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,820
up to an elongated thing in the sky and

1162
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:52,400
it's otherwise it's a very very strange

1163
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:55,160
game to trigger why somebody would ever

1164
00:48:59,500 --> 00:48:57,140
come up with such a thing that in fact

1165
00:49:02,440 --> 00:48:59,510
is so odd that it had no appeal to the

1166
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:02,450
white man at all and but here's here's

1167
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:05,750
some of them on the table the and you

1168
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:07,070
see the one there with the ladders you

1169
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:09,770
can compare the size to the two brown

1170
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:11,540
ones but the little odd figure which is

1171
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:13,130
actually from the Shanghai culture of

1172
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:15,350
Peru those are the ones from Western

1173
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:17,270
Illinois the beautiful one on the left

1174
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:19,970
the dark brown one that one is from a

1175
00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:21,410
central owner they're on the Illinois

1176
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:24,920
River had Havana the east side found in

1177
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:27,230
1921 I go back and say that those two

1178
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:28,700
brown ones were found either in the

1179
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:30,290
latter part of the 19th century or the

1180
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:33,140
very first part before Piedra died of

1181
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,320
the 20 the 20th century you can see

1182
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,720
different sizes of the disc and you'll

1183
00:49:43,330 --> 00:49:40,880
notice around some of these have much

1184
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:43,340
rounder edges and there's one down there

1185
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:44,490
at the four o'clock position

1186
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:46,110
that is actually cone-shaped that has a

1187
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:48,600
does have a convex bottom it's a very

1188
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:50,190
high grade hard hematite very dense

1189
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:52,710
hematite and leave or not there's been a

1190
00:49:56,780 --> 00:49:54,810
UFO film by some physicists that I think

1191
00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:56,790
we're going to see in a bit here that

1192
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,790
was shaped just like that it was a movie

1193
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,500
film 16 millimeter movie film was taken

1194
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:03,420
by two physicists at Oak Ridge National

1195
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:06,570
Laboratory back I think in the 60s early

1196
00:50:12,859 --> 00:50:09,330
70s ever get to date Wow

1197
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:12,869
so we can move on yeah yeah yeah I we

1198
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:14,520
got we're taking a break in just about

1199
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:16,560
two minutes or so just to let you know

1200
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:20,040
and during the two minutes the people in

1201
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:22,530
YouTube are gonna get a video that we're

1202
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:24,990
going to be showing of your exploration

1203
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:28,530
down in at Goddard that's coming up in a

1204
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:31,490
little bit so and we just have about

1205
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:33,930
about a minute and a half before we go

1206
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,520
to break so did you have you actually

1207
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:41,640
seen any of these like in a museum or

1208
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:43,619
any you know any any other type of

1209
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,140
collections well yes oh the now of

1210
00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:50,400
course if the collection these came out

1211
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,100
of and and and but there are there are

1212
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:55,740
people who have discs not of them I

1213
00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:57,690
don't know well I only know of two other

1214
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,630
sources that have that the UFO like once

1215
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:03,000
when I'm is now owned by a farmer that

1216
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:05,550
is about 90 years old and he got it from

1217
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:08,310
another elderly farmer out in Illinois

1218
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,750
and I'm waiting to get it because it is

1219
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:12,420
a Edison spectacular disc too but it was

1220
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:15,480
also dug up just a long long time ago

1221
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:18,540
and but these are the few these this is

1222
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,510
worthy that this thing started out and I

1223
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:23,400
think the idea of the game but the game

1224
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:25,830
became contagious just like soccer has

1225
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,890
taken over the u.s. in recent years the

1226
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,440
the first there were that they hope

1227
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:33,300
wells and then the Mississippians took

1228
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:35,430
it up and Cahokia down there that has

1229
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:39,150
the biggest structure by Indians in

1230
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,390
North America it their biggest mound

1231
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:44,520
there they took up this game big-time

1232
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:46,710
they had a the the the whole Cahokia

1233
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:48,900
site had a big huge central feel for

1234
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,720
playing this game of chunky and as it

1235
00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:54,240
turns out some anthropologists have

1236
00:51:58,340 --> 00:51:57,060
theorized that it in fact this caused

1237
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,350
the spread

1238
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,020
of the Cahokia Cahokia empire because

1239
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:04,140
they got people involved with the game

1240
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:05,850
and as they became involved in a game

1241
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:06,870
and got to know each other

1242
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:09,120
they took on more the traits and the the

1243
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:12,090
culture and thus the the Empire spread

1244
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:14,100
we don't know but that is it makes

1245
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,200
pretty good reasoning to me what we do

1246
00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:18,180
know is that chunk this game became an

1247
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,060
obsession how about that okay so we're

1248
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:23,760
ready to go to break all right we're on

1249
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:26,760
with ray stanford and we'll be right

1250
00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:30,960
back right after these messages what I

1251
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,990
found here is is the back footprint of a

1252
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:36,000
large armored dinosaur called a notice

1253
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:37,980
are called a notes are because they had

1254
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:41,400
big nodes and sometimes protective items

1255
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:43,830
across all right we've got just over

1256
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:46,890
four minutes in this break all right

1257
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:49,230
thank you all right you're welcome here

1258
00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:52,230
is is the back footprint of a large

1259
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,120
armored dinosaur called a notice are

1260
00:52:58,310 --> 00:52:55,980
called a notice are because they had big

1261
00:53:00,500 --> 00:52:58,320
nodes and sometimes real pointed items

1262
00:53:02,780 --> 00:53:00,510
protective items across their back and

1263
00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:02,790
even sometimes up on their shoulders and

1264
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:05,120
sometimes even by the side of the head

1265
00:53:11,090 --> 00:53:08,430
it's is really quite a rare find notice

1266
00:53:12,980 --> 00:53:11,100
our tracks are not often found there are

1267
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:12,990
some out west and up in British Columbia

1268
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,330
in Canada but we don't have a whole lot

1269
00:53:19,310 --> 00:53:17,700
of them in the US and this is one of the

1270
00:53:21,310 --> 00:53:19,320
few and that I have found right here in

1271
00:53:24,980 --> 00:53:21,320
Maryland in the eastern United States

1272
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,990
the hematite can be red it can be dark

1273
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:26,880
colored or when he gets water into it is

1274
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:28,530
called limonite it can be yellow and go

1275
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:31,410
and according to other people doing

1276
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:33,450
track work Maryland's tracks are the

1277
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,070
most beautiful dinosaur tracks color

1278
00:53:38,570 --> 00:53:36,720
wise that have ever been found anywhere

1279
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:38,580
in the world the most thrilling thing

1280
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,960
about finding this when I've found other

1281
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,800
notice are tracks

1282
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,660
but what really throw me about this one

1283
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:45,720
was because I found it a Goddard Space

1284
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:47,910
Flight Center and I love the paradox

1285
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:50,310
here space scientists may walk along

1286
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:53,310
here and they're walking exactly where

1287
00:53:58,700 --> 00:53:56,850
this big bungling heavy armored dinosaur

1288
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:58,710
walked maybe a hundred ten hundred and

1289
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:01,020
twelve million years ago I feel like

1290
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:03,030
what we need all of us need to be aware

1291
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:05,550
of preserving this wonderful pass to

1292
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:07,170
this beautiful blue planet of ours I

1293
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:09,330
mean if we don't preserve it and we've

1294
00:54:12,370 --> 00:54:10,070
don't

1295
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:12,380
look down and spot these things they

1296
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:14,780
could be torn up by machinery and so on

1297
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:16,910
so I ask people to consider themselves

1298
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:19,130
and custodians do the right thing

1299
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:21,770
notify someone at a museum someone that

1300
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:23,840
would know and can help and see that it

1301
00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:25,640
contributes to scientific knowledge if

1302
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:30,520
it has that capability all right so

1303
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:34,340
we're back and we're back with race

1304
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:40,280
we're still in the youtube break but ray

1305
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:42,440
I wanted to just take a look we do get

1306
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:45,080
some messages where people have

1307
00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:50,090
questions and someone wanted to let me

1308
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:54,980
just see so do you think would you

1309
00:54:58,750 --> 00:54:56,930
consider someone was saying that you you

1310
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:58,760
probably have one of the best

1311
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:01,400
collections outside of a museum of these

1312
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,330
chukka

1313
00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:04,880
whatever they are stones would you say

1314
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:07,580
that's possible well not of the discs

1315
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:09,020
total there's some people have more the

1316
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:12,430
discs but I have I have most of the

1317
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:14,990
ufo-like ones there are as I said

1318
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:16,490
there's two that I know for sure that

1319
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:17,990
I've that I've seen one of them I'm held

1320
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:20,840
in my hand that that are out there that

1321
00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:23,150
I am been able to acquire yet but you

1322
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,440
know these were that like the first

1323
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:26,480
photos somebody got off a UFO this is

1324
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:28,190
the Indians photos you might say I think

1325
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:30,770
if I'm interpreting it correctly of what

1326
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:35,000
she or he observed and then laborious

1327
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:36,890
Lee made imagine making this out of

1328
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:39,140
hematite which has a tremendous hardness

1329
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:40,970
just to work with it is the challenge

1330
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:42,290
yeah

1331
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:44,990
do they did they make any stone tools

1332
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:49,040
out of that yes they there are there are

1333
00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:51,470
quite a few little cells used in

1334
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:53,750
splitting wood that they made out of it

1335
00:55:58,330 --> 00:55:56,120
and there are also some other fancier

1336
00:56:01,210 --> 00:55:58,340
objects that are made out of hematite it

1337
00:56:03,130 --> 00:56:01,220
was a beloved material but you don't see

1338
00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:03,140
as many as the hematite collectors would

1339
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:04,820
like to see because it was just hard to

1340
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:07,670
to work with and there are various

1341
00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:10,460
grades of hematite and the Indians like

1342
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:11,960
hematite so much that they what they

1343
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:13,400
found out something that most people

1344
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:15,710
don't know but they would take lemonade

1345
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:17,420
which is a hydrated iron oxide which

1346
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:19,820
hematite is and they would fire it and

1347
00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:21,830
make it hard on the outside lose its

1348
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:23,960
water and it would make it hard and he

1349
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,780
on the outside but I have objects that

1350
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:28,880
show broken open that probe I'm annoyed

1351
00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:31,010
that they discovered this process that

1352
00:56:35,470 --> 00:56:33,830
you could dehydrate the the limonite and

1353
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:35,480
turn it into hematite so I you would

1354
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:36,710
have to give the engine some credit for

1355
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:38,810
a little bit of petrol chemistry there

1356
00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:40,490
were College that I think we're ready to

1357
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:42,860
go back aren't we race we are that's

1358
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:45,590
correct hey I'm ready aside all right

1359
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:47,180
here we go commercial free for the

1360
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:48,320
second hour yep

1361
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:54,920
in five four three two all right welcome

1362
00:57:00,730 --> 00:56:58,130
back my guest is Ray Stanford and we've

1363
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:00,740
been talking ancient artifacts that sure

1364
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:04,310
look a heck of a lot like what they call

1365
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,290
a flying saucer any triangle ones that

1366
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:11,920
wouldn't really work in this game right

1367
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:16,640
now the yeah in fact I did find two I

1368
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:18,530
was coming back from the note effect

1369
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:20,900
auction in Ohio and I I was in West

1370
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:22,700
Virginia and I stopped by one of these

1371
00:57:26,290 --> 00:57:24,650
brand-new store they're what they were

1372
00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:26,300
selling their various kinds of frozen

1373
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:29,060
yogurt and there was a big cliff over to

1374
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:31,100
the side I'm the property adjacent to it

1375
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,790
and I went over there

1376
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:34,160
and lo and behold there had washed out

1377
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:36,220
of the cliff and fallen down below to

1378
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,700
black stone objects that were rounded

1379
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:42,380
just like in a matter of fact just very

1380
00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:44,570
much like one of the triangular UFOs

1381
00:57:48,970 --> 00:57:46,190
that I filmed from an airliner they're

1382
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:48,980
9,000 feet on 12 1277

1383
00:57:52,660 --> 00:57:50,810
I'm not saying those were UFO effigies

1384
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,670
but I've noticed donation of what they

1385
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:54,980
were I still have one of them somebody I

1386
00:57:58,660 --> 00:57:57,380
think put one of them in the pocket and

1387
00:58:00,880 --> 00:57:58,670
walked out of my living room with it but

1388
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:00,890
they the other one I still have and it

1389
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,990
does look like God what I filmed except

1390
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,700
what I film had more details than this

1391
00:58:09,850 --> 00:58:06,640
does yeah how about that

1392
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:09,860
so ray I don't know you know we got an

1393
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:12,290
hour left here we can we can go into

1394
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:15,890
your into the dinosaur I know it's it's

1395
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:20,420
off the UFO topic but I do I do mention

1396
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:22,730
that on my show occasionally about once

1397
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:25,640
a month or so I do go off topic and this

1398
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:28,820
this is kind of the show for that so but

1399
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,000
before we go into that just just one

1400
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:37,280
thing I would like to talk about the UFO

1401
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:37,910
subject

1402
00:58:44,050 --> 00:58:42,320
you have seen I I know I asked you

1403
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:44,060
before and you never really gave me an

1404
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:44,930
answer

1405
00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:48,650
but I you have seen more UFOs than

1406
00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:52,520
anyone I've known you have filmed many

1407
00:58:57,820 --> 00:58:55,220
many UFOs and I guess the question I

1408
00:59:01,480 --> 00:58:57,830
have for you is why do you think that

1409
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:01,490
you have all these sightings I mean okay

1410
00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:04,190
let me let me put that in a context okay

1411
00:59:08,859 --> 00:59:06,470
I've also found more dinosaur tracks

1412
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:08,869
than anyone in the United States more

1413
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:11,090
tracks of the flying reptiles pterosaurs

1414
00:59:15,790 --> 00:59:13,490
or pterodactyl people call them because

1415
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:15,800
I'm looking for them I trained myself to

1416
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:19,220
know how to look and to properly

1417
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:21,170
evaluate what I'm looking at and that's

1418
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:23,810
the clue now when you carry as I did for

1419
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:26,990
30 years a heavy camera with a big glass

1420
00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:29,300
lens on your shoulder giving you a neck

1421
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:33,020
ache often you ask yourself why the heck

1422
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:35,270
am i doing this well you keep looking at

1423
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:37,310
the sky to try to make it work well and

1424
00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:39,500
hope you see something and that is what

1425
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:41,480
I did but let me mention that the films

1426
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:42,950
I've been talking about most everyone

1427
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,010
has multiple witnesses including

1428
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:48,710
excellent witnesses and in other cases

1429
00:59:54,010 --> 00:59:50,930
not only the film's but electronic and

1430
00:59:56,830 --> 00:59:54,020
gravitational magnetic measurements

1431
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,840
simultaneously in both daylight right

1432
01:00:01,420 --> 00:59:58,940
you know I remember when we were

1433
01:00:03,010 --> 01:00:01,430
discussing some of your some of your

1434
01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:03,020
sightings at least a couple of them and

1435
01:00:07,450 --> 01:00:05,420
probably more but I just remember you

1436
01:00:09,099 --> 01:00:07,460
mentioning this that you had a feeling

1437
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:09,109
first and I want to tell you also that

1438
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:11,600
yeah I've had other people and I'm not I

1439
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:13,250
know you listen to the show a lot of the

1440
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:15,140
time but I've had people on the show

1441
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:17,570
that have told me exactly the same thing

1442
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:20,780
and can you describe what that feeling

1443
01:00:27,460 --> 01:00:25,250
is well yes the now let me say that back

1444
01:00:29,859 --> 01:00:27,470
in my teens when I was a believer in

1445
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:29,869
tour Danskin so forth I was able to get

1446
01:00:34,450 --> 01:00:31,730
that feeling for sighting and I thought

1447
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:34,460
it was a telepathic message I don't

1448
01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:35,750
believe that any longer

1449
01:00:42,550 --> 01:00:38,630
we got a tip from a government scientist

1450
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:42,560
at white sands in July of 1978 that if

1451
01:00:48,970 --> 01:00:45,920
his his sister had seen me on the Phil

1452
01:00:50,590 --> 01:00:48,980
Donahue show with Hynek and she called

1453
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:50,600
and said my gosh my brother

1454
01:00:53,290 --> 01:00:51,710
who

1455
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:53,300
he was a physical scientist out there

1456
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:55,490
says that if you've got that equipment

1457
01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:57,290
you better get out there and sneak

1458
01:01:01,000 --> 01:00:59,330
around the periphery because we're being

1459
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:01,010
plagued by them and have a directive to

1460
01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:02,930
get any kind of evidence that we can get

1461
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:04,760
on this that we are capable of getting

1462
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:07,010
and we went out there and we got a

1463
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:09,380
spectacular results but what happened is

1464
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:12,470
on the way out there our financier was

1465
01:01:17,470 --> 01:01:15,230
with us the guy that put huge money into

1466
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:17,480
this wonderful guy he was in along with

1467
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:19,430
us with my wife and me and our eight

1468
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:23,800
week old baby and after we had a

1469
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:27,290
sighting I just commented I said you

1470
01:01:33,550 --> 01:01:30,050
know I felt that before it happened and

1471
01:01:35,859 --> 01:01:33,560
they said that they did too and later on

1472
01:01:39,310 --> 01:01:35,869
they experienced this same feeling

1473
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:39,320
before before the objects showed up but

1474
01:01:43,570 --> 01:01:41,750
what we found out during that event we

1475
01:01:45,849 --> 01:01:43,580
recorded the extreme low frequency

1476
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:45,859
magnetism emitted by these objects it

1477
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:47,330
had a direct correlation with their

1478
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:50,390
manoeuvres and by golly when you look at

1479
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:52,490
it in the context of scientific studies

1480
01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:56,030
unrelated to UFOs about how this e.l.f

1481
01:02:00,460 --> 01:01:57,980
in this range affects the human nervous

1482
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:00,470
system and brain you begin to understand

1483
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:02,690
something a part of it is in the deep

1484
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:05,839
restful sleep range now if you're asleep

1485
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,880
and one of these things comes around

1486
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:10,880
that might explain why one of a couple

1487
01:02:14,770 --> 01:02:13,250
gets up to go to the bathroom sees an

1488
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,780
incredible thing at close range out the

1489
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:16,640
bathroom window can't well wake the

1490
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:20,330
spouse to see it because it's weird they

1491
01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:22,070
cannot be awakened the way that might be

1492
01:02:27,220 --> 01:02:24,470
explained by the fact that when the LF

1493
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:27,230
in this range is affecting the brain it

1494
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:30,170
actually replicates what is impinging on

1495
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:32,390
it and if it's deep restful sleep could

1496
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:34,490
be very hard to to wake you up but if

1497
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:37,300
you are awake it gives you a wonderful

1498
01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:41,119
rested relaxed feeling that we jokingly

1499
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:43,460
call you would spell in the dictionary

1500
01:02:50,290 --> 01:02:46,609
you phor I a euphoria but we spell it

1501
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:50,300
UFO RI a because based on the recordings

1502
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:52,070
we made in broad daylight with multiple

1503
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:53,690
witnesses and instrument recording and

1504
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:56,690
film we believe that this range of

1505
01:03:01,560 --> 01:02:58,930
frequency it can be perceived

1506
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,570
consciously and it makes you feel

1507
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:03,920
surprisingly good you might feel like

1508
01:03:07,509 --> 01:03:05,660
when you wake up on

1509
01:03:09,460 --> 01:03:07,519
an autumn morning and the atmosphere is

1510
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,470
so clear and ends atmospheric are that

1511
01:03:13,749 --> 01:03:11,359
kind of thing or you might be a teenage

1512
01:03:15,099 --> 01:03:13,759
a kid that all of a sudden realized hey

1513
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:15,109
today's the day I have that secret

1514
01:03:19,210 --> 01:03:16,750
meeting in the woods with my best

1515
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:19,220
girlfriend I mean is it kind of thing

1516
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:22,130
this energy and it's a wonderful thing

1517
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:23,990
and we call it euphoria and I believe

1518
01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:26,569
that people could be trained to become

1519
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:29,180
walking talking UFO detectors but I'm

1520
01:03:33,210 --> 01:03:30,410
not going to go into the business of

1521
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:33,220
training them well be called a god man

1522
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:34,880
Wow

1523
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:38,750
yeah I remember one of the sightings you

1524
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:41,599
said was actually on an airline you

1525
01:03:45,609 --> 01:03:43,609
mentioned it you saw it back something

1526
01:03:47,230 --> 01:03:45,619
in the headrests 79 but I remember you

1527
01:03:50,529 --> 01:03:47,240
said you reached over and grabbed your

1528
01:03:52,539 --> 01:03:50,539
camera and well that's right well I tell

1529
01:03:56,109 --> 01:03:52,549
you what we had taken off from New York

1530
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,119
this was 1277 panic flight night and as

1531
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,160
we were coming up we were to what they

1532
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,559
call pea soup we were in clouds and we

1533
01:04:05,650 --> 01:04:02,480
were flying out of New York City to

1534
01:04:08,140 --> 01:04:05,660
dallas-fort worth and verified and and

1535
01:04:10,029 --> 01:04:08,150
what happens is I felt this which I'd

1536
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:10,039
experienced before and I said to my wife

1537
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:12,230
who was right beside me of course in the

1538
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:14,210
airline seat I said listen I said you're

1539
01:04:17,140 --> 01:04:15,890
trying to go to sleep but I feel it when

1540
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:17,150
we get through the clouds there's going

1541
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,650
to be one out there I can feel that so

1542
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:20,960
strongly that I felt before and she said

1543
01:04:26,109 --> 01:04:24,079
look she was pregnant she were going to

1544
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:26,119
have our first child in in May as it

1545
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:28,490
turns out this was December and she said

1546
01:04:32,589 --> 01:04:30,890
look I've got to get some sleep I think

1547
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:32,599
I'm coming down with a cold I have a

1548
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:33,170
headache

1549
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:35,089
I feel nauseated I've got to get don't

1550
01:04:38,410 --> 01:04:37,250
you if you see one you showed me enough

1551
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:38,420
of these things since we got married

1552
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:43,369
don't wake me up and I said okay and but

1553
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:45,369
just what then she said wait a minute

1554
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:47,450
wake me up here you see a mothership

1555
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,720
because I haven't seen one do believe it

1556
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:53,359
or not about two hours later when we got

1557
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:54,650
out of the clouds there was this

1558
01:05:00,430 --> 01:04:58,880
beautiful object pacing our plane and I

1559
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:00,440
said I've got to film you

1560
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:03,049
I've got to film you guys and I grabbed

1561
01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:04,160
on my seat now unfortunately had the

1562
01:05:08,769 --> 01:05:06,470
case it had to ted-like pads on top at

1563
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:08,779
the lockdown had to unlock them and I

1564
01:05:12,759 --> 01:05:10,940
got really upset I couldn't get it and

1565
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:12,769
the thing took off like the proverbial

1566
01:05:17,529 --> 01:05:14,930
bat out of hell and shot straight up

1567
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:17,539
this straight up at tremendous speed and

1568
01:05:22,299 --> 01:05:19,609
left but about two hours late

1569
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,309
into the flight I saw what appeared to

1570
01:05:26,769 --> 01:05:24,559
be the same type of object but instead

1571
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:26,779
of being looking with the surface of it

1572
01:05:32,049 --> 01:05:29,599
like liquid mercury it had a surface

1573
01:05:34,209 --> 01:05:32,059
that was so black it seemed to absorb

1574
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:34,219
every light ray that hit unless it was

1575
01:05:38,349 --> 01:05:36,380
hit at a very narrow oblique angle and

1576
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:38,359
then the sunlight would reflect off of

1577
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:41,180
it there but I began to get film and I

1578
01:05:48,219 --> 01:05:44,089
got multiple minutes in broad daylight

1579
01:05:51,699 --> 01:05:48,229
this object and it led me my camera and

1580
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,709
my camera of course to the big carrier

1581
01:05:55,089 --> 01:05:53,119
mothership whatever you want to call it

1582
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:55,099
that was out there that we now know from

1583
01:06:02,529 --> 01:05:57,729
data in the film was about a hundred and

1584
01:06:04,779 --> 01:06:02,539
sixty five miles away from the camera

1585
01:06:06,370 --> 01:06:04,789
but it was huge and we have we have size

1586
01:06:08,769 --> 01:06:06,380
they don't miss big thing and these

1587
01:06:10,779 --> 01:06:08,779
objects were going to and from it like

1588
01:06:13,809 --> 01:06:10,789
crazy incredible speeds different

1589
01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:13,819
Wrangler objects they were discs and I

1590
01:06:18,999 --> 01:06:16,519
got wonderful film and the whole story

1591
01:06:20,469 --> 01:06:19,009
will really well documented I don't want

1592
01:06:23,019 --> 01:06:20,479
to get into that because we were going

1593
01:06:26,979 --> 01:06:23,029
to try to get into ten million years ago

1594
01:06:29,439 --> 01:06:26,989
yeah but that anyway that was a prime

1595
01:06:31,959 --> 01:06:29,449
example of feeling the euphoria and

1596
01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:31,969
being able to benefit by it and getting

1597
01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,440
a film right before we get into ten

1598
01:06:41,859 --> 01:06:38,900
million or more years ago I just wanted

1599
01:06:44,289 --> 01:06:41,869
to allow that if someone wanted to call

1600
01:06:47,289 --> 01:06:44,299
in we're gonna put the call in number up

1601
01:06:51,969 --> 01:06:47,299
and if you're over at kgr hey radio that

1602
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:51,979
number is 603 967 403 open and what i'd

1603
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:54,410
like to allow is if anyone wants to call

1604
01:06:59,769 --> 01:06:56,930
in and talk about UFOs before we change

1605
01:07:03,279 --> 01:06:59,779
the subject and so if no one if no-one

1606
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:03,289
does speak right up then then we are

1607
01:07:08,589 --> 01:07:05,209
going to move on to the dinosaurs so

1608
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:08,599
along those lines rate you actually had

1609
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:10,190
a sighting when you went to pick sheíll

1610
01:07:18,579 --> 01:07:13,249
up one day right at the thought yes yeah

1611
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:18,589
yes oh that was in 1989 at that time

1612
01:07:22,049 --> 01:07:20,150
this was before she went with the Hubble

1613
01:07:25,269 --> 01:07:22,059
Space Telescope servicing missions and

1614
01:07:30,219 --> 01:07:25,279
she was in public affairs at Goddard and

1615
01:07:31,689 --> 01:07:30,229
I had back in those days before 9/11 so

1616
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,699
you could park your car right in front

1617
01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:33,440
of building 8 which is he

1618
01:07:39,370 --> 01:07:35,720
administration building and I had in my

1619
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:39,380
car with me in his case a thousand

1620
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:41,030
millimeter telephoto on a 35-millimeter

1621
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:43,310
camera that's a 20 power lens and it was

1622
01:07:49,569 --> 01:07:46,640
a high-quality expensive lens and I pull

1623
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:49,579
up there and lo behold there is a disc

1624
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:53,569
shaped UFO on the western horizon and at

1625
01:08:01,089 --> 01:07:57,770
that point in time it had what I now

1626
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:01,099
know to have been plasma around his

1627
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:02,750
surface but it was it was like a by

1628
01:08:11,890 --> 01:08:05,200
convex disc except it was like two cones

1629
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:11,900
and flange to flange and but as I filmed

1630
01:08:21,099 --> 01:08:16,400
it it actually the plasma moved off its

1631
01:08:22,689 --> 01:08:21,109
surface and begin to contour the dipolar

1632
01:08:24,999 --> 01:08:22,699
magnetic field now people don't know

1633
01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:25,009
that term you would probably have though

1634
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:27,980
in school have had a bar magnet under a

1635
01:08:31,959 --> 01:08:30,170
piece of paper and scattered shavings

1636
01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:31,969
around and you see that pattern it has

1637
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:34,160
two poles north and south we're called

1638
01:08:38,170 --> 01:08:36,710
and that's a two-dimensional version of

1639
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:38,180
it but this looked like a

1640
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:40,910
three-dimensional version in the sky

1641
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:43,520
because you can't see a magnetic field

1642
01:08:47,979 --> 01:08:46,370
but if there is plasma which is emitting

1643
01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:47,989
light because of the energy in it and

1644
01:08:52,990 --> 01:08:50,420
the electrons moving from one orbit to

1645
01:08:55,390 --> 01:08:53,000
another and emitting light you will be

1646
01:08:58,599 --> 01:08:55,400
able to see it and I could see it and I

1647
01:09:01,209 --> 01:08:58,609
got one absolutely I think it was the

1648
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:01,219
fifth photograph spectacular beautiful

1649
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:03,890
photograph of this beautiful field

1650
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:05,810
around this object and at that point

1651
01:09:10,570 --> 01:09:07,880
once the plasma is off the surface you

1652
01:09:12,939 --> 01:09:10,580
can actually see that there are what I

1653
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:12,949
call these compositional panels that I

1654
01:09:16,900 --> 01:09:14,810
talked about earlier like in that disk

1655
01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:16,910
we saw you can actually see them on the

1656
01:09:20,559 --> 01:09:19,310
surface it's not a blob of light it's

1657
01:09:22,539 --> 01:09:20,569
not something you can't see something

1658
01:09:24,930 --> 01:09:22,549
you can actually see the panel's but

1659
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:24,940
most spectacularly this beautiful

1660
01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:27,920
three-dimensional magnetic field around

1661
01:09:33,849 --> 01:09:30,469
it so that was that was in November of

1662
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,859
1989 taken from right in front of the

1663
01:09:38,740 --> 01:09:36,560
the administration building of the NASA

1664
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:38,750
Goddard Space Flight Center when the

1665
01:09:47,499 --> 01:09:41,330
thing left I rushed in and told my wife

1666
01:09:52,780 --> 01:09:48,999
well I forget the name of them the local

1667
01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:52,790
UFO organization to tell him about it

1668
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:54,500
but I made a drawing for Sheila and

1669
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:56,210
SoulSilver and that was really when I

1670
01:10:00,100 --> 01:09:58,130
got the pictures back I was just so

1671
01:10:01,570 --> 01:10:00,110
thrilled because I can tell you to lie

1672
01:10:02,830 --> 01:10:01,580
about to convince me there you imagined

1673
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:02,840
that part about the field that's just

1674
01:10:07,930 --> 01:10:05,030
good to be true but there it was on the

1675
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:07,940
film just beautiful amazing amazing so

1676
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:10,070
someone just tried to call in and they

1677
01:10:15,130 --> 01:10:12,230
hang up so if you are calling in just

1678
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:15,140
keep in mind that I'm not going to

1679
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:17,270
interrupt ray while I was talking so

1680
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:19,670
just hang there and and then I'll

1681
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:21,620
introduce you and also make sure that

1682
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:23,390
you have your radio a computer or

1683
01:10:26,830 --> 01:10:25,160
whatever it is you're listening to make

1684
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:26,840
sure they have that muted at that time

1685
01:10:31,150 --> 01:10:29,030
if you would so we're still taking calls

1686
01:10:32,860 --> 01:10:31,160
everyone wants to call in otherwise

1687
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:32,870
we're going to switch a subject here

1688
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:39,489
really quickly and so ray you have also

1689
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:42,230
for the person that has not heard you

1690
01:10:47,470 --> 01:10:45,110
for the first time this is their first

1691
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:47,480
time listening to you I want to say you

1692
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:49,250
mentioned earlier about your your book

1693
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:54,770
on Socorro but you have written the best

1694
01:10:58,750 --> 01:10:56,270
book there's been a couple of others or

1695
01:11:03,550 --> 01:10:58,760
at least one other or I'm not mentioning

1696
01:11:05,709 --> 01:11:03,560
of Lonnie Zamora daughter told you that

1697
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:05,719
you had written the best account of what

1698
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:08,239
happened well yes but you see Lonnie

1699
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:12,050
told her that she when she turned 21 she

1700
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:13,580
said dad you never won't talk about this

1701
01:11:17,650 --> 01:11:15,770
could you please I'm twenty what could

1702
01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:17,660
you please tell me what you saw going to

1703
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:21,020
you and he said look si Ella file over

1704
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:23,270
there everybody sent me articles people

1705
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:25,100
writing about this nobody get rights if

1706
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:26,590
you want the full story accurately

1707
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:28,910
there's only one person that got it

1708
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:31,070
right and that's ray Stanford in that

1709
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:33,110
book over there that you see on the

1710
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,590
shelf

1711
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:35,360
and she's dead if you'll read that

1712
01:11:39,970 --> 01:11:38,090
you'll know everything get us all and

1713
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:39,980
you'll learn a lot more and so she

1714
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:41,870
contacted me and was very appreciative

1715
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:45,890
Wow yeah yeah that's still in in my book

1716
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:48,530
one of the best you know it's in that

1717
01:11:54,459 --> 01:11:51,460
definitely in the top ten of sightings

1718
01:11:56,490 --> 01:11:54,469
and we Justin said if you could be

1719
01:11:59,919 --> 01:11:56,500
biased would you agree with that

1720
01:12:01,799 --> 01:11:59,929
it is certainly in North America it is

1721
01:12:05,049 --> 01:12:01,809
the absolutely

1722
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,059
best-documented coast encounter of the

1723
01:12:10,299 --> 01:12:07,760
third kind where a person where the

1724
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:10,309
policeman Lonnie Zamora Socorro

1725
01:12:14,919 --> 01:12:13,489
policeman saw two diminutive arguments

1726
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:14,929
in what appeared to be white coveralls

1727
01:12:19,810 --> 01:12:17,840
outside the craft yes it is certainly

1728
01:12:21,729 --> 01:12:19,820
North America's in my opinion most

1729
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:21,739
credible close encounter of the third

1730
01:12:27,069 --> 01:12:23,510
kind and you were there

1731
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:27,079
shortly after the one part I don't think

1732
01:12:30,699 --> 01:12:28,760
we've ever discussed on the show is how

1733
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:30,709
you found out about it how did you find

1734
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:33,169
out yeah well I didn't know about it and

1735
01:12:38,799 --> 01:12:35,689
I got a call from a friend of mine Bob

1736
01:12:42,129 --> 01:12:38,809
Mathews in in Corpus Christi Texas my

1737
01:12:45,819 --> 01:12:42,139
hometown down there and and he said my

1738
01:12:48,759 --> 01:12:45,829
gosh why aren't you in Socorro why

1739
01:12:50,979 --> 01:12:48,769
should I be encircled and he said well

1740
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:50,989
the policemen there is seen a gravel

1741
01:12:55,889 --> 01:12:52,610
landed with some markup and Southside I

1742
01:12:59,469 --> 01:12:55,899
said oh my gosh and suddenly my mother

1743
01:13:01,179 --> 01:12:59,479
and father sent me a clipping out of

1744
01:13:03,489 --> 01:13:01,189
kitchen paper talking about it I think

1745
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:03,499
it was headed long tall object has hot

1746
01:13:08,679 --> 01:13:06,530
feet which is kind of stupid but but

1747
01:13:11,979 --> 01:13:08,689
anyway I am a derangement and took off

1748
01:13:15,850 --> 01:13:11,989
for Sequoia and arrived there on Monday

1749
01:13:17,859 --> 01:13:15,860
it wasn't a Friday evening it that this

1750
01:13:19,839 --> 01:13:17,869
happened and I arrived there and I

1751
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,849
happened to arrive the very time the

1752
01:13:26,409 --> 01:13:22,719
same time just a little bit after

1753
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:26,419
Heineken arrives there and so now Hynek

1754
01:13:32,639 --> 01:13:28,610
knew me from correspondents on another

1755
01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:32,649
important UFO case back in 1959 and so

1756
01:13:37,299 --> 01:13:35,630
when I told Lonnie Zamora to tell him he

1757
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:37,309
was going to be interviewed but I'm tell

1758
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,169
him that race Stanford is here and would

1759
01:13:44,290 --> 01:13:40,880
like you know to get together on this

1760
01:13:46,449 --> 01:13:44,300
Hynek actually this over the protests of

1761
01:13:48,339 --> 01:13:46,459
New Mexico State Police Sergeant Samuel

1762
01:13:49,839 --> 01:13:48,349
Chavez who didn't like any of these

1763
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:49,849
investigators coming you know what he

1764
01:13:54,879 --> 01:13:51,409
thought was a secret government crafted

1765
01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:54,889
it landed there Hayek insisted that they

1766
01:13:59,409 --> 01:13:56,510
let me come out the site while he was

1767
01:14:01,959 --> 01:13:59,419
questioning Zamora and Chavez and that's

1768
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,969
how I got to the side and got turned on

1769
01:14:06,969 --> 01:14:04,070
to some remarkable things and wrote the

1770
01:14:08,889 --> 01:14:06,979
book which was published in 1976 it took

1771
01:14:12,250 --> 01:14:08,899
me years of research to try to make sure

1772
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:12,260
that everything was accurate I did it so

1773
01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:14,580
well I had a lawyer read it before

1774
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:16,200
I publish to make sure nobody could sue

1775
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:17,910
me and he said right he missed your

1776
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:19,290
calling he said I think you'd better go

1777
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:20,820
back to school and become a lawyer and

1778
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,130
in Austin later I had another lawyer

1779
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:25,860
friend he said the same thing I really

1780
01:14:30,230 --> 01:14:27,720
did work though to make a good case and

1781
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,240
it was it was a lot of fun but it nobody

1782
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:32,400
knows the work that goes into an

1783
01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:33,780
important case like that if you're

1784
01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:35,700
really going to document it well I got

1785
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,500
to tell you when we first started

1786
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:39,420
talking back to several years ago I'm

1787
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,150
thinking I don't know maybe six five or

1788
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,360
six years ago you sent me the book and

1789
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:48,960
it was an excellent read you still have

1790
01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:51,690
some of those books right yes I do have

1791
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:53,790
I have they're they're the original

1792
01:14:59,210 --> 01:14:57,270
first edition and I have quite a few

1793
01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:59,220
copies left not a huge number because in

1794
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,620
most of them sold but I have copies that

1795
01:15:04,510 --> 01:15:02,880
have you know the dust jacket they look

1796
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:04,520
like you would have bought them back in

1797
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:07,050
1976 and it you know people want to I

1798
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:09,150
can tell them that they can can order

1799
01:15:15,620 --> 01:15:12,960
them and the cost is with with the

1800
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:15,630
shipping is $55 and that's cheap

1801
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:16,860
compared to what some guys I know

1802
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:19,110
various places have sold them for I know

1803
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:21,630
people told them up to $450 apiece right

1804
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:22,230
Oh

1805
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:23,460
sign them for you if you want them

1806
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:25,230
signed with or without your name in the

1807
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:27,210
signing and to get him to you for that

1808
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:30,090
price by by Priority Mail with tracking

1809
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,150
yeah well just anyone that wants to

1810
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:34,500
anyone that wants to order a book and I

1811
01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:36,240
got to tell you it's one of my very

1812
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:38,040
favorite books I really really enjoyed

1813
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,920
it and I I let someone borrow it I've

1814
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,080
been waiting to get it back they were

1815
01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:45,120
they loved it too

1816
01:15:50,210 --> 01:15:47,550
but anyway anyone wants to order a book

1817
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:50,220
just write me at martinet podcast UFO

1818
01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:52,230
calm and I'll pass it along to Ray and

1819
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:54,630
you're welcome - all right so we don't

1820
01:15:58,640 --> 01:15:56,550
have any callers on the UFO topic so

1821
01:16:02,210 --> 01:15:58,650
we're going to move on and we're gonna

1822
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,220
talk about your discovery on the first

1823
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,380
break you mentioned that you were in the

1824
01:16:09,740 --> 01:16:07,380
Goddard Space Center parking lot waiting

1825
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:09,750
for Sheila and you happen to see a rock

1826
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:11,370
stick out and something made you get out

1827
01:16:15,650 --> 01:16:13,170
of the car and go check it out is that

1828
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,660
the first set of track you found other

1829
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:17,820
tracks before that right oh yes I've

1830
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:19,410
found hundreds and hundreds of them yeah

1831
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:22,770
big beginning well it's been out 25

1832
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:27,390
years and I blame my my oldest son who

1833
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:28,290
talked me into buying a

1834
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,290
book on tracking and dr. Martin luck

1835
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:33,840
Facebook has now been my my track papers

1836
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:37,760
he's been one of my co-authors and it

1837
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:40,560
that that's that's how I got it got into

1838
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:42,150
it I mean I really wasn't interested in

1839
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:43,560
dinosaurs and tracking only

1840
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:45,270
superficially for the purpose when my

1841
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:46,890
kids are growing up I'm showing him the

1842
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:49,050
tracks down in Texas but when we got

1843
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:51,330
into it not begin to find these things I

1844
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:55,020
mean I I have found hundreds of tracks

1845
01:16:59,150 --> 01:16:57,210
and small track waves of dinosaurs and

1846
01:17:00,590 --> 01:16:59,160
flying reptiles I have the only flying

1847
01:17:02,750 --> 01:17:00,600
reptile tracks that are up in family

1848
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:02,760
eastern USA because people don't know

1849
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:03,960
what to look for most people can

1850
01:17:07,610 --> 01:17:06,120
recognize one of the types of downstair

1851
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:07,620
tractors your three toed track that you

1852
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:08,970
might have seen in Close Encounters of

1853
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:10,530
the Third Kind after t-rex could walk

1854
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:13,170
there but most people don't know what a

1855
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,760
flying reptiles track looked like but if

1856
01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:17,040
you studied Lockleys books you find out

1857
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:19,080
and that's how I began to to find these

1858
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:21,450
they're they're not all that they're

1859
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:23,100
rare but not all that rare that you

1860
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:25,020
can't find them around here now is there

1861
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:26,760
a certain type of rock that you have to

1862
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:28,490
look for where these impressions

1863
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,670
actually stay remain yes in the first

1864
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:34,320
place if you want to look for a dinosaur

1865
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:36,780
age tracks whether it's from the mammals

1866
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:38,390
or the flying rentals of the dinosaurs

1867
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:40,980
what you do you go to your local

1868
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:43,170
Geological Survey and you want to look

1869
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:44,760
in stream beds where there are

1870
01:17:49,190 --> 01:17:46,860
outcroppings of rocks of the age of

1871
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,200
dinosaurs here they are of course there

1872
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:51,840
are what they're called lower cretaceous

1873
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:55,020
are early cretaceous and the ones i find

1874
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:56,190
are about a hundred ten out of twelve

1875
01:18:00,200 --> 01:17:57,930
million years old but you'll need to get

1876
01:18:02,780 --> 01:18:00,210
your geological maps and look for i'm

1877
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:02,790
lee haeri they have a nice deep green

1878
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:05,070
for that outcropping and you're not

1879
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:06,690
going to find dinosaur tracks where

1880
01:18:11,660 --> 01:18:08,250
there were the rocks of the wrong age

1881
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:11,670
but here locally they are they can

1882
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,890
either be various shades of brown or

1883
01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:16,080
they can be beautiful even combinations

1884
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:19,200
of hematite a red form of of loosely

1885
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:21,510
consolidated hematite and limonite which

1886
01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:22,980
is yellow and that makes a beautiful

1887
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:24,780
combination sometime you'll believe or

1888
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:26,250
not you'll have a red track on a yellow

1889
01:18:30,380 --> 01:18:28,770
background or vice versa and that's that

1890
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:30,390
has caused me and many other people that

1891
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:33,060
have seen to say that Maryland has the

1892
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:34,440
most beautiful dinosaur attraction in

1893
01:18:39,530 --> 01:18:36,990
the world how about that so you want

1894
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:39,540
your discovery was was extremely

1895
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:41,070
important and also because there were

1896
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:41,770
mammals and

1897
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:46,000
- right that's correct yeah the in fact

1898
01:18:52,610 --> 01:18:48,970
on the sled Goddard it's it's about two

1899
01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:52,620
square meters size about the size of a

1900
01:18:58,710 --> 01:18:55,660
decent size but not large not huge a

1901
01:19:00,210 --> 01:18:58,720
dining table and it's actually eight and

1902
01:19:02,730 --> 01:19:00,220
a half feet long and thirty nine inches

1903
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:02,740
at the very widest and on there there

1904
01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:05,470
are nearly 100 let's be conservative and

1905
01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:08,860
say ninety footprints but at least forty

1906
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:11,020
maybe a few more than forty of them are

1907
01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:13,990
by mammals and by at least three kinds

1908
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:15,700
of mammals the tracks of which have

1909
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:18,370
never been seen before including when we

1910
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:20,680
published it the largest published track

1911
01:19:24,690 --> 01:19:22,570
of a mammal from the diner's race has

1912
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:24,700
ever been seen bigger than a adult

1913
01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:27,210
Badgers track four inches long with very

1914
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,820
evidence of very sharp claws but you had

1915
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:33,040
these little mammals but if smaller ones

1916
01:19:38,820 --> 01:19:35,590
digging around in what back then was

1917
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:38,830
clumps of feces from probably larger

1918
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:40,810
dinosaurs from the looks of it and the

1919
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:42,760
Flies had laid their eggs in there and

1920
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:45,250
the larvae in jism - some big flies and

1921
01:19:48,510 --> 01:19:47,050
some big larvae and these mammals are

1922
01:19:50,490 --> 01:19:48,520
digging them out you can see where some

1923
01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:50,500
of them were dug out and you see their

1924
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:51,880
claw marks where these little guys were

1925
01:20:00,380 --> 01:19:54,510
going after the goodie protein sources

1926
01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:00,390
and in the feces and all the while

1927
01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:04,240
tracking slowly four track ways through

1928
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:06,520
the hole then going west are the tracks

1929
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:10,210
of small flesh-eating dinosaurs and they

1930
01:20:13,890 --> 01:20:11,980
are we know they're tracking slowly

1931
01:20:16,590 --> 01:20:13,900
because of the close spacing of the

1932
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:16,600
footprints we did a calculation we found

1933
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,210
out these little guys were moving less

1934
01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:21,520
than 1/2 mile per hour but there's

1935
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:23,560
method in the madness they wanted to

1936
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:26,050
move slowly so it not be directed not

1937
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:28,120
distract the mammals from their eating

1938
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:30,070
the larvae so they can jump and eat the

1939
01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:34,240
mammals and and it is it's a it's a well

1940
01:20:39,780 --> 01:20:37,420
now a doggy-dog this idea I guess and

1941
01:20:42,210 --> 01:20:39,790
but that big mammal was so big it could

1942
01:20:43,770 --> 01:20:42,220
have eaten the mammals are in fact that

1943
01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:43,780
the theropod the smaller theropods they

1944
01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:45,160
were eating the mammals and it could

1945
01:20:48,990 --> 01:20:47,080
have eaten some of the flying reptiles

1946
01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:49,000
we have a footprint of a pretty

1947
01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:50,620
good-sized flying reptile probably had a

1948
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:55,270
let's say a wingspan of say 18 feet 1518

1949
01:20:59,640 --> 01:20:55,750
feet

1950
01:21:01,620 --> 01:20:59,650
Wow and I do have elsewhere it is yet to

1951
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,630
be published but I have a footprint of a

1952
01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:04,000
mammal left front footprint of another

1953
01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:05,620
mammal flying repple the pterosaur

1954
01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:08,020
you'll know miss pterodactyl maybe we

1955
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:10,390
have one that is 15 inches long it's the

1956
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:12,010
biggest ever found and we have the

1957
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:15,010
feeding traces that are compatible size

1958
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:16,810
with that so we're stuck that big beak

1959
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:19,960
down into the mud and pulled up to pour

1960
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:21,970
whatever was living under there out to

1961
01:21:27,690 --> 01:21:24,970
have a meal so tell me what what did

1962
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:27,700
what did the Goddard Space Center have

1963
01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:30,280
to say about the discovery they were

1964
01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:32,140
delighted they were thrilled in fact

1965
01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:34,360
when the paper came out on the evening

1966
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:39,220
of the 31st of January this year the

1967
01:21:44,130 --> 01:21:41,170
earth science of is throwing a big party

1968
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:44,140
in in the building 33 which is the Earth

1969
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:46,570
Science facility in the the atrium there

1970
01:21:50,670 --> 01:21:48,550
and we have the nice we have a full-size

1971
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:50,680
total detailed three-dimensional

1972
01:21:55,410 --> 01:21:53,220
reproduction made from a latex mold and

1973
01:21:57,660 --> 01:21:55,420
carefully tailored exactly like the real

1974
01:21:59,520 --> 01:21:57,670
thing up there on the wall at an angle

1975
01:22:02,610 --> 01:21:59,530
with the map explaining it below which

1976
01:22:05,130 --> 01:22:02,620
will see some minutes of and the the

1977
01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:05,140
thing is that I mean they were packed in

1978
01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:06,790
there they were thrilled I'll tell you a

1979
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:08,470
funny story to show you the human side

1980
01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:10,750
of this when I discovered this track and

1981
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:12,720
finally announced it to public affairs

1982
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:15,550
the well there's a section of Goddard

1983
01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:17,020
Space Flight Center that are known as

1984
01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:19,180
the facilities people and they were

1985
01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:20,920
beginning ready to build I did not know

1986
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:24,190
this when I found this a 35 million

1987
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,850
dollar flight projects facility and part

1988
01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:29,920
of it would have a pylon go right down

1989
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:31,900
in the middle of where this was well

1990
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:35,440
this means oh we got to stop and get

1991
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:37,690
that thing out of here those tracks and

1992
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:39,970
so here they're delayed and they're

1993
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:41,350
worried about it costing money and they

1994
01:22:46,710 --> 01:22:44,410
were very upset and and let it be known

1995
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:46,720
and what is this guy coming along

1996
01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:48,670
finding dinosaur and mammal tracks when

1997
01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:50,830
we were building of Earth space projects

1998
01:22:56,610 --> 01:22:53,950
flight projects facility well however I

1999
01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:56,620
have to say that the guy in charge of

2000
01:23:00,900 --> 01:22:59,020
that came up at the at the big party of

2001
01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:00,910
stone afterward and greeted me in the

2002
01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:02,470
most whatever I he said thank you

2003
01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:04,750
congratulations you know I was upset

2004
01:23:09,060 --> 01:23:06,580
when this happened but he said I want to

2005
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:09,070
congratulate you this is wonderful and I

2006
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:09,490
say

2007
01:23:15,210 --> 01:23:13,060
all's well that ends well and the the

2008
01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:15,220
authorities in fact we had the paper

2009
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:17,080
shorter than I would have liked I wrote

2010
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:20,200
it originally a lot longer but like I

2011
01:23:27,150 --> 01:23:24,730
talked but it it actually we reduced it

2012
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:27,160
down because they wanted to go ahead and

2013
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:28,630
get this thing published and the longer

2014
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:30,490
your paper is the longer it takes the

2015
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:33,400
peer reviewers to study it and pick it

2016
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,480
apart if they can and so forth so and we

2017
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:39,840
succeed it was published in nature's

2018
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:42,910
scientific reports and everybody was

2019
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:44,980
just thrilled the New York Times said of

2020
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,780
beautiful coverage on it with very good

2021
01:23:52,140 --> 01:23:48,400
pictures as I show in the slides and

2022
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:52,150
and so did the Washington Post and some

2023
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,450
wonderful TV coverages were done on it

2024
01:24:00,300 --> 01:23:58,480
the best TV coverage was was on a

2025
01:24:04,110 --> 01:24:00,310
network that I don't normally watch it

2026
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:04,120
was on the Fox News Sunday but the

2027
01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:08,140
wonderful interviewer there did a

2028
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:09,580
marvelous job and he was deeply

2029
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:10,990
appreciative and didn't bring any

2030
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:14,110
politics into it at all and if one can

2031
01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:16,690
go there and say it it's it's the best

2032
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,000
interview with me that was done this

2033
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:21,520
whole time and I was I was all over the

2034
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:24,250
world on TV and I was I had to sit there

2035
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:26,590
day after day as media people would come

2036
01:24:31,380 --> 01:24:28,000
in and want to do their interviews and

2037
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,390
one day I was there just sitting there

2038
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:32,800
not waiting for the next interview and

2039
01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:34,750
here comes a an important looking guy

2040
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:37,780
with guys in black suits Oh around him

2041
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,290
boy yeah and but they looked like you

2042
01:24:44,730 --> 01:24:42,880
know that they might be Secret Service

2043
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:44,740
people or something well it turns out

2044
01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:46,660
but then it they got close enough I

2045
01:24:53,250 --> 01:24:49,720
realized the the director of Goddard was

2046
01:24:59,100 --> 01:24:53,260
there but the guy with him was was the

2047
01:25:01,800 --> 01:24:59,110
what then was the the the congressman

2048
01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:01,810
Steny Hoyer he still gongon

2049
01:25:06,750 --> 01:25:03,460
but he was the the what's called a

2050
01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:06,760
Minority Whip at that time and he he was

2051
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:08,230
coming there and he walked up and

2052
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:09,730
stopped and I'm just sitting there not

2053
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:11,710
really I didn't realize it was holier

2054
01:25:17,370 --> 01:25:15,280
but he stopped and he said who found

2055
01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:17,380
this wonderful thing he shouted that out

2056
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:20,860
and I confessed and he said look he said

2057
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:22,780
I has a question I'm excited interested

2058
01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:23,050
in there

2059
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:24,670
and there you'll see a picture of him

2060
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:27,370
with the director of the right side

2061
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,790
Steve colleagues with him and he asked

2062
01:25:34,890 --> 01:25:32,800
wonderful questions I never expected

2063
01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:34,900
this of a politician but he was

2064
01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:36,640
genuinely interested in has some great

2065
01:25:42,030 --> 01:25:38,950
questions which I really appreciated

2066
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:42,040
Wow isn't that something in then you

2067
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:44,050
were at National Geographic right in the

2068
01:25:49,230 --> 01:25:46,870
magazine and oh that's right yeah they

2069
01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:49,240
did a coverage back in November of last

2070
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:51,940
year of flying the flying reptiles

2071
01:25:56,490 --> 01:25:55,030
pterosaurs and they did a they have a

2072
01:25:59,220 --> 01:25:56,500
picture of me sitting in my living room

2073
01:26:01,440 --> 01:25:59,230
chair agent care in the corner of the

2074
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:01,450
living room yeah yeah I got to see that

2075
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:04,570
so this is this is kind of amazing so he

2076
01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:07,450
had let me just ask you this kind of an

2077
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:10,390
oddball question at any point when you

2078
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:12,520
were talking about dinosaurs did anyone

2079
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:15,310
actually find any connection with you in

2080
01:26:22,410 --> 01:26:19,690
UFOs and talk to you about it yes a

2081
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:22,420
field them did and and when I explained

2082
01:26:26,910 --> 01:26:24,730
that my approach to UFOs is just as

2083
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:26,920
scientific and as skeptical as it is

2084
01:26:30,090 --> 01:26:28,210
when I come across something in the

2085
01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:30,100
stream bed and ask myself what it is I

2086
01:26:35,490 --> 01:26:31,240
try to be objective

2087
01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:35,500
and and those that have learned about it

2088
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:37,720
and asked me about it we're quite

2089
01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:40,290
accepting of my position on it I don't

2090
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,000
take the position and don't tell the

2091
01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:45,520
media gee man there's little dream in up

2092
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:47,380
there is something like that I say that

2093
01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:48,910
apparently there is a sophisticated

2094
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:51,340
technology that if we can tap it with

2095
01:26:56,910 --> 01:26:53,530
instruments and get into it it could be

2096
01:26:58,770 --> 01:26:56,920
of immense value to humankind and they

2097
01:27:00,090 --> 01:26:58,780
understand that and they now that of

2098
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:00,100
course the New York Times article has

2099
01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:02,140
helped public relations on this I think

2100
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:04,180
yeah although I'm not really impressed

2101
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:07,810
with the the infrared videos still it

2102
01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:10,570
has helped a lot and so everything is

2103
01:27:14,340 --> 01:27:12,160
going quite well nobody has written me

2104
01:27:16,590 --> 01:27:14,350
off because I'm involved with scientific

2105
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:16,600
UFO studies yeah that's that's good and

2106
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:19,330
I know you know just just going back to

2107
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:20,890
that just a little bit I know there are

2108
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,810
people from Goddard that actually have

2109
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,880
visited you and have talked to you about

2110
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:27,520
about your your images and everything

2111
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:30,040
else right well that's right in fact

2112
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:32,410
there's one major major scientists

2113
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:35,110
there's a senior scientist who in fact I

2114
01:27:37,210 --> 01:27:36,880
have reason to believe from what I've

2115
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:37,220
heard they

2116
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:39,620
is the most in scientific papers

2117
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,600
scientifically cited his papers of any

2118
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:43,760
any scientist at Goddard Space Flight

2119
01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:46,130
Center and he's been here several times

2120
01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:48,440
and three other times maybe four or five

2121
01:27:53,620 --> 01:27:50,350
of the times he's looked at those

2122
01:27:56,530 --> 01:27:53,630
hematite UFO discs and he said ray you

2123
01:27:59,940 --> 01:27:56,540
know those have to be the most

2124
01:28:04,420 --> 01:27:59,950
convincing evidence I've ever seen that

2125
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:04,430
extraterrestrials visit us long ago now

2126
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:05,900
here's you know here's a high-level

2127
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:09,770
scientist saying this and he I don't say

2128
01:28:12,940 --> 01:28:11,150
what do you think of these he tells me

2129
01:28:15,070 --> 01:28:12,950
this spontaneously he keeps seeing them

2130
01:28:16,780 --> 01:28:15,080
and making that comment and it's been

2131
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:16,790
back to reaction a lot of people now now

2132
01:28:21,580 --> 01:28:19,250
some of them though are intimidated they

2133
01:28:22,810 --> 01:28:21,590
don't ask that looks like flying saucers

2134
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:22,820
I'm not going to get into this subject

2135
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:26,690
but the this top level scientists and

2136
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:28,490
others who have been there have had a

2137
01:28:33,970 --> 01:28:30,260
very positive and very open-minded

2138
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:33,980
reaction yeah yeah so I was so glad

2139
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:37,250
because that this this whole thing

2140
01:28:41,890 --> 01:28:38,870
happened to you going back to the

2141
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:41,900
dinosaur thing just because I think that

2142
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:44,570
you really had you know you have a lot

2143
01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:48,320
of respect due to you because I know

2144
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:50,150
you've taken you know the UFO field

2145
01:28:56,890 --> 01:28:53,110
seriously and if you'd actually find

2146
01:28:59,380 --> 01:28:56,900
these tracks I know that you had in your

2147
01:29:02,110 --> 01:28:59,390
basement was that the molded copy and

2148
01:29:04,060 --> 01:29:02,120
that you had you I know you were looking

2149
01:29:05,940 --> 01:29:04,070
at this studying this thing for a long

2150
01:29:08,350 --> 01:29:05,950
time right in your basement right now

2151
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:08,360
this was this is the actual one that's

2152
01:29:14,830 --> 01:29:11,690
displayed in building 33 and the gutters

2153
01:29:17,890 --> 01:29:14,840
Earth Science facility now it it was

2154
01:29:19,570 --> 01:29:17,900
made a latex mold was made of the actual

2155
01:29:22,150 --> 01:29:19,580
slab that I found after it was cleaned

2156
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:22,160
off and then they cast it into some kind

2157
01:29:27,190 --> 01:29:24,530
of white material and then colored it

2158
01:29:28,570 --> 01:29:27,200
exactly to match and then I even as when

2159
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:28,580
I find these in the stream bed you'll

2160
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,410
find fine silt has drifted in the low

2161
01:29:34,150 --> 01:29:32,000
pledges and makes you notice tracks you

2162
01:29:36,190 --> 01:29:34,160
won't notice so they wanted me to make

2163
01:29:38,770 --> 01:29:36,200
the big notice or track and the one big

2164
01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:38,780
sauropod tracked visible I'm doing this

2165
01:29:42,730 --> 01:29:40,910
and I scattered some this silt around

2166
01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:42,740
and by gosh when you begin to fall into

2167
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:45,230
other places and little patterns my gosh

2168
01:29:49,630 --> 01:29:46,970
there are a whole kind of tracks on here

2169
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:49,640
and there were all these this drama of

2170
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:50,310
the inner

2171
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,440
fraction of these animals going on and

2172
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:54,780
and when I saw that there were mammal

2173
01:29:59,810 --> 01:29:58,080
tracks with interaction of theropods and

2174
01:30:03,920 --> 01:29:59,820
these other these flying reptiles that

2175
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:03,930
were landing right nearby I called this

2176
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:06,330
chief scientist at Goddard and I said

2177
01:30:13,670 --> 01:30:10,410
Jim are you sitting down and he said yes

2178
01:30:15,860 --> 01:30:13,680
and I said look there are mammal tracks

2179
01:30:17,690 --> 01:30:15,870
over there with those and he's just ho

2180
01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:17,700
my gosh she said I think we got

2181
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:20,310
something really really important I said

2182
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:23,370
you bet we do and so there it was

2183
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:25,410
it's the biggest congregation there were

2184
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:27,810
more tracks on that slab at Goddard into

2185
01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:30,360
square meters then in the entire age of

2186
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:32,070
dinosaurs from all the world had been

2187
01:30:39,170 --> 01:30:35,090
found summed together right there and

2188
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:39,180
I'll have to say they were Tuesday chose

2189
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:41,490
a good place that 110 million years ago

2190
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:43,080
would be Goddard Space Flight Center I

2191
01:30:47,870 --> 01:30:45,050
can't say they smelled it coming but

2192
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:47,880
anyway it was a popular place back then

2193
01:30:53,690 --> 01:30:50,820
now now the one thing did they go ahead

2194
01:30:55,700 --> 01:30:53,700
and build this building that they they

2195
01:30:57,740 --> 01:30:55,710
went and built it and they put one

2196
01:30:59,540 --> 01:30:57,750
column right down it had I not

2197
01:31:02,620 --> 01:30:59,550
discovered this at some time I think I'm

2198
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:02,630
on an unconscious rescue mission because

2199
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:05,850
and I not found this and I even found it

2200
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:07,530
two weeks later I would never have

2201
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:08,850
stopped him they would have gone ahead

2202
01:31:12,170 --> 01:31:10,710
and would have put this down and who

2203
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:12,180
didn't he started this incredibly

2204
01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:14,130
scientifically important column but it

2205
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:16,380
it had been cut out on the north side by

2206
01:31:20,630 --> 01:31:18,210
heavy equipment years before and on the

2207
01:31:23,570 --> 01:31:20,640
I'm sorry in the west side and the east

2208
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:23,580
side and it but the piece was there

2209
01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:26,010
originally where it was when the animals

2210
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:28,950
stepped on it and so that's that that's

2211
01:31:33,020 --> 01:31:31,500
what happened but at Goddard most of the

2212
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:33,030
things have been ground up as you

2213
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:35,040
suggested earlier by heavy equipment but

2214
01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:37,050
you'll find some tracks and pieces of

2215
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:38,940
tracks that are around in the ravines

2216
01:31:43,310 --> 01:31:41,460
were they had dumped this stuff that

2217
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,320
they moved to make the basements and the

2218
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:46,020
buildings and so there's still some to

2219
01:31:50,330 --> 01:31:47,460
be found but we've tried to find other

2220
01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:50,340
big slabs but we cannot find any yeah I

2221
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:51,870
mean I would think this is almost like a

2222
01:31:55,340 --> 01:31:53,610
gold rush in a way with something

2223
01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:55,350
important like this is found where you'd

2224
01:32:00,080 --> 01:31:58,380
really want to scout you know scout the

2225
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:00,090
area so it sounds like you've done that

2226
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:02,730
more or less that's right and we've

2227
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:04,110
cautiously

2228
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:06,449
cautions the people that Goddard is if

2229
01:32:09,260 --> 01:32:07,139
they're caught

2230
01:32:10,729 --> 01:32:09,270
finding and stealing these things they

2231
01:32:12,979 --> 01:32:10,739
could go to president and his government

2232
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:12,989
property and we're very we try to be

2233
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:14,639
very careful and to discourage that

2234
01:32:18,590 --> 01:32:16,920
although we did find a place for someone

2235
01:32:20,899 --> 01:32:18,600
that apparently dug out a track and not

2236
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:20,909
only that but a major scientist got it

2237
01:32:24,770 --> 01:32:23,250
and I that got got hooked on trying to

2238
01:32:26,660 --> 01:32:24,780
track down a source after the find there

2239
01:32:28,580 --> 01:32:26,670
we were out one day and we found a track

2240
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:28,590
but at that point you know how

2241
01:32:30,979 --> 01:32:29,730
government regulations are we didn't

2242
01:32:33,649 --> 01:32:30,989
have a clearance of where you would take

2243
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:33,659
any tracks if you found them you leave

2244
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:35,100
government property where it is so we

2245
01:32:38,810 --> 01:32:36,690
just moved it out of the stream said he

2246
01:32:40,820 --> 01:32:38,820
washed away and put it under a bush but

2247
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:40,830
guess what the news had already broken

2248
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:42,540
about the fines there somebody was

2249
01:32:46,189 --> 01:32:44,639
watching us we went back a couple days

2250
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,199
later and somebody had seen us and had

2251
01:32:48,500 --> 01:32:47,760
stolen the track we don't know who stole

2252
01:32:53,419 --> 01:32:48,510
it

2253
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,429
Wow Wow and so but there's no other

2254
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:55,440
there's no type of detection I mean it

2255
01:32:59,450 --> 01:32:57,210
would just if you tried to detect

2256
01:33:01,459 --> 01:32:59,460
something like that like under the grass

2257
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:01,469
or under you know the layer of dirt

2258
01:33:06,859 --> 01:33:05,130
layers of dirt there's just no way of

2259
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:06,869
doing it because it would just show up

2260
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:10,290
as a rock right yeah well we we have

2261
01:33:15,109 --> 01:33:13,170
some pictures that show a lady pulling

2262
01:33:17,060 --> 01:33:15,119
an interesting-looking red electronic

2263
01:33:19,790 --> 01:33:17,070
box and it's ground-penetrating radar

2264
01:33:22,459 --> 01:33:19,800
that they that goddard paid to be

2265
01:33:23,689 --> 01:33:22,469
brought in from new mexico and she went

2266
01:33:24,979 --> 01:33:23,699
over the area and there's several years

2267
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:24,989
they thought oh my gosh we may be

2268
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:26,550
hitting another slab of these tracks on

2269
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:28,409
but isn't one of the pictures was quite

2270
01:33:32,540 --> 01:33:30,510
funny one guy dug down where the radar

2271
01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:32,550
said it should be and all you see is as

2272
01:33:36,020 --> 01:33:34,860
you see is the lower part of his hips

2273
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:36,030
and his leg sticking out of the ground

2274
01:33:41,180 --> 01:33:38,760
and I put a thing there that he says

2275
01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:41,190
it's only clay it was an iron bearing

2276
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:43,560
clay that was reflecting the radar and

2277
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:45,780
so we did not succeed in finding any

2278
01:33:49,970 --> 01:33:47,610
other slabs and we have we have looked

2279
01:33:52,430 --> 01:33:49,980
all over Goddard for it and there are no

2280
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:52,440
so far as we've been able to find anyway

2281
01:33:56,990 --> 01:33:54,810
and slabs like that right at the surface

2282
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:57,000
but only in that case only only the a

2283
01:34:01,729 --> 01:33:59,340
big squeezed up edge of the notice our

2284
01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:01,739
tract was visible through the grass but

2285
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:03,540
why would I notice it nobody else

2286
01:34:09,950 --> 01:34:07,739
because I track dinosaurs and it's like

2287
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:09,960
an astrophysics to me said rape every

2288
01:34:14,540 --> 01:34:13,050
day for seven years four and five days a

2289
01:34:16,820 --> 01:34:14,550
week I've walked down there past that

2290
01:34:17,899 --> 01:34:16,830
within four to six feet of it going to

2291
01:34:20,060 --> 01:34:17,909
the cafeteria and I never

2292
01:34:22,009 --> 01:34:20,070
so I said yeah but your mind is looking

2293
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:22,019
up you're an astrophysicist I'm looking

2294
01:34:27,469 --> 01:34:26,010
down or you're looking both I'm looking

2295
01:34:29,060 --> 01:34:27,479
both is the truth no matter but

2296
01:34:31,819 --> 01:34:29,070
hopefully not at the same time at least

2297
01:34:33,409 --> 01:34:31,829
when I'm driving I had parked I had

2298
01:34:34,909 --> 01:34:33,419
parked in the parking lot because I saw

2299
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:34,919
this and I said I got to have a look I

2300
01:34:39,259 --> 01:34:37,110
walked over there oh my gosh Donna

2301
01:34:41,299 --> 01:34:39,269
noticed our tracks are rare and here's

2302
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:41,309
the most beautiful big notice our track

2303
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:43,289
that I've ever seen right there it got

2304
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:44,729
her Space Flight Center now the notice

2305
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:47,610
are is a like a armored an armored

2306
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:50,639
dinosaur right yeah he's like a tank on

2307
01:34:56,270 --> 01:34:53,510
four legs yes he's very armored as that

2308
01:34:57,229 --> 01:34:56,280
as we saw in a model in some of the some

2309
01:34:58,459 --> 01:34:57,239
of the pictures from the public

2310
01:35:00,020 --> 01:34:58,469
defenders out there got some pictures I

2311
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:00,030
brought a model of a notice are they

2312
01:35:03,949 --> 01:35:02,729
have these big ridged armored on and

2313
01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:03,959
some of them are actually big spikes

2314
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:05,820
that stick out but if they're babies

2315
01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:07,320
they don't they they grow as they grow

2316
01:35:12,379 --> 01:35:09,030
older they get these rougher and rougher

2317
01:35:15,020 --> 01:35:12,389
surface now I do believe when I visited

2318
01:35:18,020 --> 01:35:15,030
you that in your own personal collection

2319
01:35:20,569 --> 01:35:18,030
you had a dinosaur track but there was

2320
01:35:23,449 --> 01:35:20,579
also a cat footprint am I getting that

2321
01:35:27,949 --> 01:35:23,459
right no nothing not a cat no no I I

2322
01:35:29,509 --> 01:35:27,959
have we we have bigger tracks of mammals

2323
01:35:32,209 --> 01:35:29,519
than the one that got heard that's four

2324
01:35:34,819 --> 01:35:32,219
inches long we have some spectacular

2325
01:35:38,419 --> 01:35:34,829
tracks that I've found and one of them

2326
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:38,429
looks like a gigantic lion track

2327
01:35:42,529 --> 01:35:40,050
mountain lion but it's bigger than al

2328
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:42,539
and an adult lion track and we don't see

2329
01:35:45,979 --> 01:35:43,650
the back of us you know if it was

2330
01:35:49,339 --> 01:35:45,989
elongated or if was shorter like it

2331
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:49,349
would be on a feline a LAN or a mountain

2332
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:52,650
lion or a cat but it is spectacular he

2333
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:54,510
can even see between where the toenails

2334
01:35:58,879 --> 01:35:56,280
were on the toes you can see that it had

2335
01:36:01,219 --> 01:35:58,889
fur and it's just spectacular and I

2336
01:36:02,419 --> 01:36:01,229
found right beside it another piece that

2337
01:36:04,729 --> 01:36:02,429
they have equipment that broken years

2338
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:04,739
ago with a nice three toe dinosaur track

2339
01:36:10,129 --> 01:36:07,260
walking the same substrate exactly that

2340
01:36:12,109 --> 01:36:10,139
this giant mammal had been walking now

2341
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:12,119
ray you and I had a discussion about

2342
01:36:18,469 --> 01:36:15,360
this one time because um there is some

2343
01:36:20,779 --> 01:36:18,479
people kind of pushing a theory that you

2344
01:36:22,339 --> 01:36:20,789
know man walked beside dinosaur and I

2345
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:22,349
believe it's in Texas somewhere where

2346
01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:24,900
they went through layers of rock and

2347
01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:26,840
they found footprints that look like

2348
01:36:30,739 --> 01:36:29,249
human footprints next to dinosaur

2349
01:36:31,460 --> 01:36:30,749
footprints and you had an answer for

2350
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:31,470
yeah right

2351
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,230
I indeed I have an answer for it it's

2352
01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:36,960
been investigated thoroughly and one of

2353
01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:39,150
the chief investigators of this is a

2354
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:41,640
personal friend of mine and the to the

2355
01:36:45,170 --> 01:36:43,590
matter is that the tracks they call man

2356
01:36:46,670 --> 01:36:45,180
tracks they say well these were giants

2357
01:36:48,650 --> 01:36:46,680
well how come these tracks are three

2358
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:48,660
feet long well it was a giant well it is

2359
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:51,060
it's awfully narrow what it is is that

2360
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:53,250
dinosaurs flesh-eating dinosaurs the

2361
01:36:57,380 --> 01:36:55,800
theropods when they wanted when if they

2362
01:36:58,970 --> 01:36:57,390
heard a roar of something that might be

2363
01:37:02,690 --> 01:36:58,980
dangerous they would lure their profile

2364
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:02,700
or if it was so muddy that they didn't

2365
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:04,620
want to sink down too much they would

2366
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,570
lure off they were there three toes

2367
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:08,880
normally walk down but they keep their

2368
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:10,410
metal what I call the metatarsals the

2369
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:12,690
bows beyond the toes upward but they

2370
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:14,370
would lure their profile like a snow

2371
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,170
chute to keep you from sinking in the

2372
01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:18,000
snow to keep them from sinking in the

2373
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,860
mud and that's all in the world it is

2374
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:22,020
what these dishonest people trying to

2375
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:23,370
prove that the world's only five

2376
01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:25,410
thousand years old we're doing they

2377
01:37:29,150 --> 01:37:27,030
weren't telling you are showing you

2378
01:37:31,940 --> 01:37:29,160
upstream where the animal went up slope

2379
01:37:35,450 --> 01:37:31,950
and as he goes up slope he rises up on

2380
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:35,460
his his toes what's called digitigrade

2381
01:37:39,710 --> 01:37:37,620
and went out of plantigrade we have a

2382
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,720
fine example this and the gutter to slab

2383
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:41,520
a smaller but at the same time for

2384
01:37:47,570 --> 01:37:43,350
dinosaur and when he walked through an

2385
01:37:49,610 --> 01:37:47,580
area that was wet then he lured down on

2386
01:37:52,430 --> 01:37:49,620
the metatarsals but you see as soon as

2387
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:52,440
it climbs up the slope it gets back up

2388
01:37:59,420 --> 01:37:56,400
on his toes slowly again right what what

2389
01:38:02,480 --> 01:37:59,430
causes a track to be preserved or in

2390
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:02,490
this case so many you know I think about

2391
01:38:10,090 --> 01:38:05,730
people walk every day and then how could

2392
01:38:14,030 --> 01:38:10,100
you no footprints be preserved yeah the

2393
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,040
people don't realize what happens in the

2394
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:16,800
first place in most of these cases the

2395
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:19,170
tracks would we're probably exposed for

2396
01:38:22,430 --> 01:38:20,850
a little while maybe it enough slightly

2397
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:22,440
dry out or there may have been a

2398
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:25,130
low-grade water moved over them and

2399
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:27,330
feral fat sick bacteria these are

2400
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:29,280
bacteria that means bacteria that eat

2401
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:33,570
iron they get in there and they excrete

2402
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:36,960
hematite and it coats it and creates

2403
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:39,420
basically an armor plating in some cases

2404
01:38:44,570 --> 01:38:40,890
that doesn't happen but there are a

2405
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:44,580
bacterial slime that builds upon it it

2406
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:45,280
drives out

2407
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:48,489
little bit you've got this tiny little

2408
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:50,530
microscopic bearer and then a flood

2409
01:38:55,890 --> 01:38:52,630
comes and covers it up but years later

2410
01:38:59,339 --> 01:38:55,900
when when they're trying to deepen the

2411
01:39:02,790 --> 01:38:59,349
streams for example here to keep water

2412
01:39:04,890 --> 01:39:02,800
out of their streets they they cut

2413
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:04,900
through here and they break this sub the

2414
01:39:10,109 --> 01:39:07,690
upper layer off and it exposes these

2415
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:10,119
layers where the tracks are it separates

2416
01:39:14,819 --> 01:39:12,760
that way because I think because mainly

2417
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:14,829
the bacterial method was there where

2418
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:17,050
there's one that it was farmed as iron

2419
01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:18,760
through the aren't eating bacteria or

2420
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,500
whether it's another other types of

2421
01:39:27,299 --> 01:39:22,719
bacteria I think bacteria are largely

2422
01:39:29,580 --> 01:39:27,309
responsible for for this enabling the

2423
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:29,590
substrate sits above it to separate and

2424
01:39:34,350 --> 01:39:31,960
sometimes we get thus the what was above

2425
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:34,360
it that fill the track we've got it as

2426
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:36,010
where you see the track as if it were

2427
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:37,150
three dimensional and the other one

2428
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:39,250
beneath it where it sinks down you got

2429
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:40,329
both the top one and the bottom

2430
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:41,920
sometimes we will find a piece and it

2431
01:39:44,910 --> 01:39:43,630
will we'll see a crack you jarred a

2432
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:44,920
little bit and it comes loose and you've

2433
01:39:48,899 --> 01:39:47,050
got the nice infill on one side and the

2434
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:48,909
track on the other it's really nice when

2435
01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:50,230
you're showing this to children for

2436
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:52,420
example to help them understand what was

2437
01:40:03,930 --> 01:40:00,439
how can you guess how many years span

2438
01:40:05,540 --> 01:40:03,940
say for instance that slap it sounded

2439
01:40:09,870 --> 01:40:05,550
like there was maybe a predator

2440
01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:09,880
situation there but if not can many

2441
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:12,940
years go by on the same in the same area

2442
01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:14,860
where these things are preserved or or

2443
01:40:20,129 --> 01:40:17,590
is this just something that is for you

2444
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,139
know ephemeral to say a month or a week

2445
01:40:25,529 --> 01:40:22,480
or a day or whatever we believe that the

2446
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,539
daughter tracks were probably made at in

2447
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,760
shortest time a few hours and maybe no

2448
01:40:31,589 --> 01:40:29,440
more than a couple of days it could have

2449
01:40:33,419 --> 01:40:31,599
been a week but probably not because we

2450
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:33,429
don't seem it him stepping on top of

2451
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:35,770
each other but we do look at that slab

2452
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:38,530
there's there's the iron stone which is

2453
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:41,199
brown red and then you have white the

2454
01:40:45,209 --> 01:40:43,090
slab weighs about three and a half times

2455
01:40:46,350 --> 01:40:45,219
but you'll see a layer of softer white

2456
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,360
stuff and then you see another iron

2457
01:40:50,549 --> 01:40:48,159
stone layer well if we ever get the

2458
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:50,559
financing to cut that apart and dissolve

2459
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:53,050
the softer white area we'll have another

2460
01:40:56,129 --> 01:40:54,489
layer with a bunch of tracks on it

2461
01:40:59,070 --> 01:40:56,139
probably we've got two other layers I

2462
01:41:01,710 --> 01:40:59,080
think beneath that these were maturely

2463
01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:01,720
you see and then as infill in the in the

2464
01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:03,670
floodplain kept bringing dirt down and

2465
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:05,230
covering it up then you get to an area

2466
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:06,970
where there was a high bacterial content

2467
01:41:11,250 --> 01:41:09,310
of the type that would leave the create

2468
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:11,260
the iron stone and the stitch wouldn't

2469
01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:12,670
create the iron stone but sometimes

2470
01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:16,300
they're preserved in just self stone or

2471
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:19,300
even sandstone that's been hardened by

2472
01:41:25,130 --> 01:41:23,320
by silica infusion and so there are many

2473
01:41:28,980 --> 01:41:25,140
ways of farms in which you can get

2474
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:28,990
preserved but and you can have one on

2475
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:31,690
top of the other it can get remarkable

2476
01:41:34,380 --> 01:41:33,100
and sometimes we have a wonderful

2477
01:41:36,150 --> 01:41:34,390
attraction which you see the tracone

2478
01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:36,160
topping turned over and you see the

2479
01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:37,720
negative everything you see the the

2480
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:39,940
pushdown and you can even see where in

2481
01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:42,370
one case the dinosaur got his foot stuck

2482
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:44,500
in the clay and twisted it to get his

2483
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:46,780
toes out of the clay and lifted it out I

2484
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:49,450
mean it's it's almost as if you could

2485
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,310
get step in a time machine and actually

2486
01:41:54,990 --> 01:41:52,960
see it happening it's really wonderful

2487
01:41:57,660 --> 01:41:55,000
when you get to studying it oh I bet I

2488
01:42:02,130 --> 01:41:57,670
bet that's it's fascinating to me now

2489
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:02,140
what about unknown or found species has

2490
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:04,300
any of that appeared in Traxxas

2491
01:42:10,170 --> 01:42:08,050
themselves oh yes now we can't talk of

2492
01:42:13,730 --> 01:42:10,180
specific species of animals from tracks

2493
01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:13,740
we can talk about species of tracks and

2494
01:42:18,660 --> 01:42:15,910
in other words when you have a track

2495
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:18,670
with that that's well documented several

2496
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:20,770
examples and you can say it has certain

2497
01:42:25,140 --> 01:42:23,170
types of form and qualities to it then

2498
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:25,150
just like an animal species you can

2499
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:27,280
publish it as a trace species it's

2500
01:42:32,130 --> 01:42:29,350
called in the papers and it's no or

2501
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:32,140
trace species and it's not telling you

2502
01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:33,430
the species of the dinosaur

2503
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:35,830
it's the species of track for example no

2504
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:38,950
one had ever found and and published the

2505
01:42:43,410 --> 01:42:40,870
tracks of a hipster off and on a plant

2506
01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:43,420
eating dinosaur but I repeatedly kept

2507
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:45,340
finding them around here so I wrote a

2508
01:42:51,150 --> 01:42:47,170
paper and Martin luck they joined me on

2509
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:51,160
it and and we published a paper about a

2510
01:42:56,460 --> 01:42:53,170
new what we would call is no species or

2511
01:42:58,380 --> 01:42:56,470
trace species and his name is hip still

2512
01:43:00,930 --> 01:42:58,390
awake no smell Anika so obviously with

2513
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:00,940
Maryland but hip Civic means the trace

2514
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:03,280
of a hip Salafi dot never been published

2515
01:43:06,510 --> 01:43:04,690
before but we had not only the back

2516
01:43:08,430 --> 01:43:06,520
footprint but the front footprint with

2517
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:08,440
it in two examples one from up in

2518
01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:10,330
Baltimore and one down here and it was

2519
01:43:13,050 --> 01:43:11,740
just wonderful it tremendous

2520
01:43:15,180 --> 01:43:13,060
documentation and the

2521
01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:15,190
but the the type of the feet boat effect

2522
01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:17,200
in the fender are different from what

2523
01:43:20,130 --> 01:43:19,000
I've ever seen on any other dinosaur and

2524
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,140
really get those two unique tracks

2525
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:22,480
together you definitely got a hit Silla

2526
01:43:27,690 --> 01:43:25,570
weakness melon Dickus so we we're the

2527
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:27,700
this is a Maryland gets credit for

2528
01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:30,430
providing the first example worldwide of

2529
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:32,710
the hits of the tracks of hips aloft on

2530
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:35,050
but we have also other new species of

2531
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:36,880
dinosaur tracks yet to be published and

2532
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:38,290
we published one in the Goddard paper

2533
01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:42,370
and we gave it a name that I'll tell you

2534
01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:45,340
I have trouble remembering this name I'm

2535
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:48,100
80 years old but it was and it has

2536
01:43:53,190 --> 01:43:50,610
daughter dances after Goddard and so it

2537
01:43:57,420 --> 01:43:53,200
we've given Goddard a credit for it's

2538
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,430
it's very so mammal track so it's it you

2539
01:44:00,540 --> 01:43:58,960
know which you you have to footprint

2540
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:00,550
species but people should not mistake

2541
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,010
them for our species of animal they're

2542
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:04,960
really just a scientific classifications

2543
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:06,670
of footprint even as we classify animals

2544
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:09,280
as species now I know you and I have

2545
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,010
talked briefly I don't know maybe a few

2546
01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:14,800
years ago about this but I never really

2547
01:44:18,570 --> 01:44:16,450
got your feeling on it I kind of have

2548
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:18,580
mixed feelings myself but I'm you know

2549
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:20,020
because I'm in the fine arts and the

2550
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:21,850
antiques and the auction business I kind

2551
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,650
of pay attention to things and you know

2552
01:44:28,230 --> 01:44:25,600
there was a t-rex

2553
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:28,240
you know skeleton basically that was

2554
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,730
found that sold for mill multi millions

2555
01:44:36,140 --> 01:44:33,760
of dollars and I add auction and I just

2556
01:44:38,130 --> 01:44:36,150
wondered what you thought about about

2557
01:44:40,170 --> 01:44:38,140
commercializing you know when something

2558
01:44:42,570 --> 01:44:40,180
goes to auction and I know it smells

2559
01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:42,580
iums that typically want to want to own

2560
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,920
it and that's what the demand for that's

2561
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:47,440
right well it's it's a is it really it's

2562
01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:50,050
a human problem that sometimes

2563
01:44:57,210 --> 01:44:52,600
interfaces and conflicts with the

2564
01:44:59,310 --> 01:44:57,220
scientific challenges and the I'll tell

2565
01:45:01,560 --> 01:44:59,320
you I am NOT impressed with museums

2566
01:45:03,150 --> 01:45:01,570
paying millions of dollars for t-rex

2567
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:03,160
everybody knows you can go to a museum

2568
01:45:07,470 --> 01:45:05,890
that's got you've got good t-rex

2569
01:45:08,700 --> 01:45:07,480
skeletons they're not really skeleton

2570
01:45:11,130 --> 01:45:08,710
but they're made of casts of the bones

2571
01:45:13,890 --> 01:45:11,140
yes and they look exactly like the real

2572
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:13,900
thing yeah and a museum in my opinion

2573
01:45:19,790 --> 01:45:16,390
has better ways to spend his money than

2574
01:45:24,540 --> 01:45:19,800
then I mean how many kids much you guess

2575
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:24,550
enables a t-rex and it's so silly I mean

2576
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:26,850
it's it should you

2577
01:45:32,060 --> 01:45:29,310
I've been in this gutter slab should be

2578
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:32,070
displayed out in the Smithsonian and it

2579
01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:34,980
should encourage kids to learn what they

2580
01:45:38,810 --> 01:45:37,320
themselves can discover when you make

2581
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:38,820
discoveries on there they could have an

2582
01:45:42,980 --> 01:45:40,710
interactive then enable them to make

2583
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:42,990
discoveries and and they would feel

2584
01:45:48,890 --> 01:45:46,260
their own ability to do some rudimentary

2585
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:48,900
science this is the kind of thing not

2586
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:50,850
there you go it's over t-rex but

2587
01:45:55,970 --> 01:45:53,760
something else that goes deeper and gets

2588
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:55,980
inside of them and lets them know that

2589
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:57,630
there can be a more interesting world in

2590
01:46:01,310 --> 01:45:58,980
what they see in that little electronic

2591
01:46:02,140 --> 01:46:01,320
box on their hand and I feel strongly

2592
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,150
about that

2593
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:04,800
however the curator does shows Missoni

2594
01:46:08,660 --> 01:46:07,050
when I had made these discoveries on the

2595
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:08,670
slab working on the reproduction side we

2596
01:46:12,110 --> 01:46:10,110
didn't know that many tracks were only

2597
01:46:14,450 --> 01:46:12,120
at all we just knew the the notice our

2598
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:14,460
track and the baby and the big sauropod

2599
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:16,290
track the rest of we didn't know but he

2600
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:17,760
came over sight but the thing is

2601
01:46:21,620 --> 01:46:20,250
unfortunately by that time they are at

2602
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:21,630
this new wing that's going to open up

2603
01:46:26,660 --> 01:46:24,300
the end of next year I think it is it

2604
01:46:28,730 --> 01:46:26,670
they already had as he said every bolt

2605
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:28,740
and screw and the thing it already

2606
01:46:32,810 --> 01:46:31,170
planned they couldn't it could find a

2607
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:32,820
way to get this in because everything

2608
01:46:37,700 --> 01:46:34,950
was pre-designed and bought in effect

2609
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:37,710
through the contractors and so there's

2610
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:38,850
nothing they could do about it

2611
01:46:43,310 --> 01:46:41,070
but I think that had the right display

2612
01:46:45,290 --> 01:46:43,320
with this and the idea that say Goddard

2613
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,300
Space Flight Center were astrophysicist

2614
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:47,280
or walking right over things they're

2615
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:48,930
looking out into space millions of years

2616
01:46:53,210 --> 01:46:50,970
and not noticing the millions of years

2617
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:53,220
down at their feet I think it would have

2618
01:46:57,170 --> 01:46:55,650
been a tremendous drawing Carter the

2619
01:46:58,910 --> 01:46:57,180
littles dynastar that I have down there

2620
01:47:01,400 --> 01:46:58,920
and little-noticed our track of a junior

2621
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:01,410
notice are that I catered decided this

2622
01:47:06,740 --> 01:47:04,800
displayed I mean it has millions of

2623
01:47:08,180 --> 01:47:06,750
viewers a year I forget the figure but

2624
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:08,190
there's it's over a million I think it

2625
01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:10,290
was at least two point something million

2626
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:13,320
people would pass through there per year

2627
01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:15,450
but if they had a thing like this with

2628
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:17,670
the to map down below by the way are we

2629
01:47:22,340 --> 01:47:19,050
going to be able to show any of those

2630
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,350
pictures of the the the dinosaur the

2631
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:25,440
slab with the map oh you know what ray I

2632
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:27,360
think there was an issue with that maybe

2633
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:30,690
I only was able to download one and I

2634
01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:32,010
thought they were the same I'd you

2635
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:35,310
probably sent me two of oh yeah I'm

2636
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:37,890
sorry about that terribly sorry that's

2637
01:47:40,450 --> 01:47:39,900
that's my fault I love the people to see

2638
01:47:42,850 --> 01:47:40,460
me

2639
01:47:45,970 --> 01:47:42,860
anyway in your promo though you had a

2640
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:45,980
nice link in the promo for this you'll

2641
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:48,890
find in there a nice link to a site that

2642
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:52,130
I had not even seen and it shows the the

2643
01:47:56,140 --> 01:47:54,170
slab and the map that my wife and I

2644
01:47:58,240 --> 01:47:56,150
deliberately made to explain to you the

2645
01:48:00,280 --> 01:47:58,250
track so if somebody wants to go there

2646
01:48:02,020 --> 01:48:00,290
and click on that link I appreciate you

2647
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:02,030
putting it in they can see that for

2648
01:48:08,740 --> 01:48:03,920
themselves and study it okay

2649
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:08,750
all right great just let's see we we

2650
01:48:13,780 --> 01:48:10,250
have just like I think three or four

2651
01:48:15,970 --> 01:48:13,790
minutes left here ray so when I visited

2652
01:48:19,020 --> 01:48:15,980
you we're gonna shift gears a little bit

2653
01:48:21,790 --> 01:48:19,030
and I really appreciate your work and I

2654
01:48:24,940 --> 01:48:21,800
was absolutely thrilled I'm still very

2655
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:24,950
thrilled of all the publicity you

2656
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:27,410
actually got in your great work that you

2657
01:48:31,780 --> 01:48:29,570
did when it comes to the dinosaur

2658
01:48:35,050 --> 01:48:31,790
tracking I've it's it's been a lot of

2659
01:48:36,459 --> 01:48:35,060
fun and I've I've we've been in touch

2660
01:48:38,830 --> 01:48:36,469
through this whole time when you've gone

2661
01:48:42,729 --> 01:48:38,840
through this whole thing and and I'm

2662
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:42,739
proud of Ray well thank you yeah but I

2663
01:48:48,940 --> 01:48:45,170
wanted to talk when you gave me the tour

2664
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:48,950
I was actually that was very nice so we

2665
01:48:51,940 --> 01:48:50,330
spent some time with the gentleman with

2666
01:48:53,650 --> 01:48:51,950
the last name Bartlett they're a

2667
01:48:55,930 --> 01:48:53,660
satellite engineer I believe or

2668
01:48:59,709 --> 01:48:55,940
something but we know you gave me the

2669
01:49:02,110 --> 01:48:59,719
tour there at Goddard was it the James

2670
01:49:06,459 --> 01:49:02,120
Webb telescope that we saw them working

2671
01:49:08,620 --> 01:49:06,469
on turn remember well yes as a matter of

2672
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:08,630
fact and I've had some nice conversation

2673
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:10,570
with the Nobel laureate who's a

2674
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:14,050
scientific head of that that project and

2675
01:49:20,590 --> 01:49:18,890
in a very very nice fellow but the other

2676
01:49:22,330 --> 01:49:20,600
Bartlett you mentioned he designed he

2677
01:49:24,850 --> 01:49:22,340
believed it not he was responsible for

2678
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:24,860
the design of I think either 11 or 13 of

2679
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:27,440
the instruments that are on the the

2680
01:49:33,010 --> 01:49:30,410
mavin arbiter Mars orbiter this in orbit

2681
01:49:34,780 --> 01:49:33,020
now that is studying things about the

2682
01:49:37,570 --> 01:49:34,790
upper atmosphere that gives us clues as

2683
01:49:38,110 --> 01:49:37,580
to what happened to change the Martian

2684
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:38,120
atmosphere

2685
01:49:45,970 --> 01:49:41,330
oh they ages in the past and and and and

2686
01:49:47,740 --> 01:49:45,980
Bob did the design is a set of of most I

2687
01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:47,750
think of the instruments there were own

2688
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,510
there I was amazed at how many he had

2689
01:49:54,370 --> 01:49:52,880
the big design port in yeah and he's the

2690
01:49:56,530 --> 01:49:54,380
guy that took you on a nice too

2691
01:49:59,530 --> 01:49:56,540
around Goddard that's right and I was

2692
01:50:01,810 --> 01:49:59,540
actually impressed that him along with

2693
01:50:04,209 --> 01:50:01,820
other you know other scientists there

2694
01:50:06,419 --> 01:50:04,219
that are kind of open-minded going back

2695
01:50:09,129 --> 01:50:06,429
to the UFO topic

2696
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:09,139
they're very open-minded when you get

2697
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:10,850
them privately I'm as I suspect some of

2698
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:12,489
them if they were in the crowd of

2699
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:14,690
Goddard employees there they might be a

2700
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:16,610
little more intimidated I can't speak

2701
01:50:22,419 --> 01:50:20,060
for them but but privately I mean they

2702
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:22,429
know me as a rational person who made

2703
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,409
major world-class discoveries Eric got

2704
01:50:29,379 --> 01:50:26,480
it right under their feet and they

2705
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:29,389
respect me and so when I begin to talk

2706
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:32,510
about another type of hard evidence that

2707
01:50:38,050 --> 01:50:35,199
we've gotten in the way of films and

2708
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:38,060
magnetometer and gravimeter and even

2709
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:41,690
spectrographic recordings hard data from

2710
01:50:46,899 --> 01:50:44,690
UFOs they take notice and they realize

2711
01:50:49,180 --> 01:50:46,909
I'll say I'll say something I cannot

2712
01:50:52,990 --> 01:50:49,190
call the name but I can say that a

2713
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:53,000
person with a PhD in a major physics a

2714
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,000
field of physics and that has had the

2715
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:58,639
highest levels of government clearance

2716
01:51:03,100 --> 01:51:00,650
because of projects he's worked on both

2717
01:51:04,419 --> 01:51:03,110
with the Navy and with the the

2718
01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:04,429
intelligence community and an interface

2719
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:09,320
with NASA he has often had lunch and

2720
01:51:14,169 --> 01:51:10,610
he's not we've not called his name on

2721
01:51:17,229 --> 01:51:14,179
this show at all he has twice said

2722
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:17,239
something quite remarkable to my wife

2723
01:51:21,970 --> 01:51:20,000
Sheila and me one day he totally said he

2724
01:51:23,590 --> 01:51:21,980
took up he stood up one day we were

2725
01:51:28,510 --> 01:51:23,600
getting ready to leave and he said ray

2726
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:28,520
and Sheila anybody who is anyone and he

2727
01:51:33,390 --> 01:51:31,310
meant in you know in the inside of

2728
01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:33,400
scientific research with NASA and Sasori

2729
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:36,409
knows about the extra-terrestrial

2730
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:38,810
technology those are his exact words he

2731
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:39,860
didn't say being based of the

2732
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:42,050
extra-terrestrial technology that is

2733
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:45,770
visiting our atmosphere and one day much

2734
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:47,690
later he was there with us his son who

2735
01:51:53,740 --> 01:51:51,530
was also an engineer and our scientists

2736
01:51:56,140 --> 01:51:53,750
are sometime exactly what and we were

2737
01:51:58,090 --> 01:51:56,150
sitting there talking and he made the

2738
01:52:02,860 --> 01:51:58,100
exact same statement in front of his son

2739
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:02,870
and to us and I do not ask people who

2740
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:04,820
have learned things on the basis of

2741
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:06,650
security éclairs I think it is unfair to

2742
01:52:11,470 --> 01:52:08,210
ask them to betray

2743
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:11,480
their oath to their country - because

2744
01:52:15,370 --> 01:52:13,370
there may be reasons we don't understand

2745
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:15,380
for national security I'm very cautious

2746
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,510
about what I have gotten because I

2747
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:19,760
realize some of it maybe this has been

2748
01:52:26,110 --> 01:52:23,090
my major holdback is that I feel that

2749
01:52:28,290 --> 01:52:26,120
I've got some material that is possibly

2750
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:28,300
pertinent national security and I I

2751
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:31,370
really I try to be conscious and I don't

2752
01:52:36,970 --> 01:52:34,370
I never want to offend or ask anybody to

2753
01:52:39,310 --> 01:52:36,980
offend their oath to the government in

2754
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:39,320
their positions of security so I don't I

2755
01:52:41,860 --> 01:52:41,210
did not press this fellow father and say

2756
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,870
wait a minute

2757
01:52:45,070 --> 01:52:43,520
what do you know how do you know it we

2758
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,080
just did the omit his word well we're

2759
01:52:50,410 --> 01:52:47,840
out of time ray so I will also remind

2760
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:50,420
people that if you want to get that

2761
01:52:54,459 --> 01:52:52,520
great book about the score case just to

2762
01:52:56,979 --> 01:52:54,469
email me thanks so much ray it's always

2763
01:52:59,020 --> 01:52:56,989
a pleasure a great pleasure okay thank

2764
01:53:01,660 --> 01:52:59,030
you all right all right everyone so

2765
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:01,670
that's it for our show and thanks so

2766
01:53:04,810 --> 01:53:02,810
much for listening we're going to be

2767
01:53:07,420 --> 01:53:04,820
back next week with Terry Lovelace

2768
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:07,430
should be a real great guest I'm really

2769
01:53:11,650 --> 01:53:09,890
looking forward to that and I want to